▲ 1490 ▼ Be like Edward Snowden (lemmy.world) submitted 3 years ago by HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 99 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] MxM111@kbin.social -82 points 3 years ago (4 children) And of course, the next logical step is to leak gigabytes of secret and sensitive information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 88 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) ...Leaked to a reputable member of the fourth estate to decide what was safe to report. Do you disagree with the founders of the United States about the importance of the fourth estate's role in keeping leadership honest? The only other steps short of that would have been to either quit and shut the fuck up or continue participating and shut the fuck up. Sounds like you just wanted him to shut the fuck up about your freedoms being eroded by the government that's supposed to protect them. I don't believe willful ignorance is a defensible position, ever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 52 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It very much is, if the offense is egregious. And the NSA spying on everyone and their employees trading nudes the NSA collected very much is egregious. And to make it sound like he just dumped the raw leaks does not make your argument seem more credible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MxM111@kbin.social -65 points 3 years ago (3 children) Or, you know, he could have talked to journalists without such security breach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 years ago* (1 child) The security breach was the NSA letting anyone fiddle with the data. They should be thankful Snowden leaked them instead of a foreign intelligence service listening in for years unnoticed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago Yeah... It honestly just made clear how damn inept everyone involved is and has been for a very long time... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Draces@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Except it's exactly what David Grusch did, with no proof, and yet we have multiple oversight hearings and amendments to the defense authorization, and he made international news permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's basically what he did... 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MxM111@kbin.social -21 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was no need to do that with gigs of secret data… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) Lol... He gave the egregious "secret data" that Americans fully deserved to know about to a fucking journalist (Glenn Greenwald) So, I disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemmes@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago Become Russian with this one simple trick! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -28 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're getting downvoted for stating what Snowden out for what he is -- a Kremlin operative traitor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) He had no other choice. Russia was not his first goal to find refuge in. But germany and other countries did not take him in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 3 years ago No one wants to take in a criminal. No one, except war criminal Putin, of course. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SCB@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago Because taking in a compromised Russian operative is a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 88 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) ...Leaked to a reputable member of the fourth estate to decide what was safe to report. Do you disagree with the founders of the United States about the importance of the fourth estate's role in keeping leadership honest? The only other steps short of that would have been to either quit and shut the fuck up or continue participating and shut the fuck up. Sounds like you just wanted him to shut the fuck up about your freedoms being eroded by the government that's supposed to protect them. I don't believe willful ignorance is a defensible position, ever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 52 points 3 years ago* (1 child) It very much is, if the offense is egregious. And the NSA spying on everyone and their employees trading nudes the NSA collected very much is egregious. And to make it sound like he just dumped the raw leaks does not make your argument seem more credible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MxM111@kbin.social -65 points 3 years ago (3 children) Or, you know, he could have talked to journalists without such security breach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 years ago* (1 child) The security breach was the NSA letting anyone fiddle with the data. They should be thankful Snowden leaked them instead of a foreign intelligence service listening in for years unnoticed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago Yeah... It honestly just made clear how damn inept everyone involved is and has been for a very long time... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Draces@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Except it's exactly what David Grusch did, with no proof, and yet we have multiple oversight hearings and amendments to the defense authorization, and he made international news permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's basically what he did... 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MxM111@kbin.social -21 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was no need to do that with gigs of secret data… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) Lol... He gave the egregious "secret data" that Americans fully deserved to know about to a fucking journalist (Glenn Greenwald) So, I disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MxM111@kbin.social -65 points 3 years ago (3 children) Or, you know, he could have talked to journalists without such security breach. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 years ago* (1 child) The security breach was the NSA letting anyone fiddle with the data. They should be thankful Snowden leaked them instead of a foreign intelligence service listening in for years unnoticed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago Yeah... It honestly just made clear how damn inept everyone involved is and has been for a very long time... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Draces@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Except it's exactly what David Grusch did, with no proof, and yet we have multiple oversight hearings and amendments to the defense authorization, and he made international news permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's basically what he did... 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MxM111@kbin.social -21 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was no need to do that with gigs of secret data… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) Lol... He gave the egregious "secret data" that Americans fully deserved to know about to a fucking journalist (Glenn Greenwald) So, I disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 years ago* (1 child) The security breach was the NSA letting anyone fiddle with the data. They should be thankful Snowden leaked them instead of a foreign intelligence service listening in for years unnoticed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago Yeah... It honestly just made clear how damn inept everyone involved is and has been for a very long time... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago Yeah... It honestly just made clear how damn inept everyone involved is and has been for a very long time... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Draces@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Except it's exactly what David Grusch did, with no proof, and yet we have multiple oversight hearings and amendments to the defense authorization, and he made international news permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SCB@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Except it's exactly what David Grusch did, with no proof, and yet we have multiple oversight hearings and amendments to the defense authorization, and he made international news permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Draces@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) spending billions illegally That is literally what Grusch testified about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Draces@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's basically what he did... 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] MxM111@kbin.social -21 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was no need to do that with gigs of secret data… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) Lol... He gave the egregious "secret data" that Americans fully deserved to know about to a fucking journalist (Glenn Greenwald) So, I disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MxM111@kbin.social -21 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was no need to do that with gigs of secret data… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) Lol... He gave the egregious "secret data" that Americans fully deserved to know about to a fucking journalist (Glenn Greenwald) So, I disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago (2 children) Lol... He gave the egregious "secret data" that Americans fully deserved to know about to a fucking journalist (Glenn Greenwald) So, I disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago Glen Greenwald is not a "journalist" lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Greenwald shines Putin's boots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago I think we can all agree that Greenwald is an idiot. IMO Snowden probably chose him because a. he wrote for The Guardian, b. he was publically critical of the Iraq war and c. he is politically on the right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Whose boots you be shining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 years ago I shone democracy's boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemmes@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago Become Russian with this one simple trick! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -28 points 3 years ago (1 child) You're getting downvoted for stating what Snowden out for what he is -- a Kremlin operative traitor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) He had no other choice. Russia was not his first goal to find refuge in. But germany and other countries did not take him in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 3 years ago No one wants to take in a criminal. No one, except war criminal Putin, of course. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SCB@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago Because taking in a compromised Russian operative is a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) He had no other choice. Russia was not his first goal to find refuge in. But germany and other countries did not take him in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 3 years ago No one wants to take in a criminal. No one, except war criminal Putin, of course. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SCB@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago Because taking in a compromised Russian operative is a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Grant_M@lemmy.ca -9 points 3 years ago No one wants to take in a criminal. No one, except war criminal Putin, of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SCB@lemmy.world -10 points 3 years ago Because taking in a compromised Russian operative is a bad idea permalink fedilink source parent