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We live in the future! (lemmy.world)
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[–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No government backing, and I can't use it anywhere. The only way for me to use Cryptocurrency as money in 99.9% of the places I shop is to exchange said crypto for real money.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    money predates governments, and there are vendors who will sell goods for bitcoin.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Money doesn't predate governments, governments have been around since the earliest tribes, and bartering was the most common way to exchange goods until large governments started issuing currency.

    And no, there aren't. I can't walk into any store anywhere I have been and buy goods with bitcoin, nor can I use bitcoin on any of the online shops I have ever been to.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    bartering was the most common way to exchange goods

    you clearly haven't been keeping up with anthropology in the last 20 years. i recommend reading Debt: The First 5,000 Years. i also suggest pirating it if you can: the author is dead. he won't mind.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You think that governments didn't exist thousands of years ago? Governments predate debt and money, by a long shot because guess what, ever since we've been tribes we've had governments. A tribe is a government.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    any tribe may have a government but a tribe is not the same as a government.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why do you think modern governments are the only type of government there has ever been? Tribal governments, elder councils, feudal governments, republics, pharoahs, god-kings, etc... Ever since people have lived in groups they have followed some sort of governance.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's not true. plenty of anarchist societies have existed. can you cite a source for your claim that people have always been governed?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why do you think modern governments are the only type of government there has ever been?

    I never said that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yet you keep acting like it. Currency came well after governments, because you need a government to regulate the value of currency and give it stability.

    Bartering existed before currency, perhaps you're thinking of bartering and confusing it with the idea of money. They are not the same thing in case you weren't aware.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I've given you everything that you need to learn about why you're wrong. Your refusal to give up on your wrong-headed notions and assumptions indicates that you're not actually interested in having a conversation about this or learning when you are wrong. have a nice day.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Your refusal to understand the difference between bartering and money is making it impossible to educate you on why you are wrong. Debt is not money, bartering is not money, they are different concepts.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    can you cite a source for any of your claims?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That tribes have governments? Yes, it's called tribal governance. Literally any power structure dictating the lives of a group of people is their government.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I asked for a source. not more rhetoric.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Here you go, government evolved with agriculture, and predates currency:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/government

    Also your book doesn't say currency predates government.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    do you know how I know you didn't read David graber's book?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you know how I know you didn't?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    knowledge, being defined as a justified true belief, cannot be what you have about my state of having read that book. you have no justification for any belief about it because you haven't read it. further you certainly can't know that I haven't unless that were true.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well if you read it you failed to understand it, because it clearly discusses barter systems relating to debt, not currency.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    debt is a currency.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nope, not the same thing.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I can’t walk into any store anywhere I have been and buy goods with bitcoin, nor can I use bitcoin on any of the online shops I have ever been to.

    you haven't been to every store on earth, nor visited every online vendor.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yet I have been to thousands, and not a one has taken bitcoin.

    Just because some drug dealers like to use it, does not make it real money.

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