▲ 78 ▼ No more drunk driving? US to force carmakers to adopt life-saving tech by 2024 (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/news@lemmy.world 94 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world -26 points 2 years ago* (4 children) “Those false positives could be somebody trying to get to the hospital for an emergency.” Add an emergency button that overrides the lock and also calls the police. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Great, another problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago There's no problem you can't make worse by calling the police. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago So along with an alcohol sensor there has to be a cellular connection bc as well? What happens when you’re stuck in a rural area with little/no cell coverage? And who is paying the cost of all this new technology? permalink fedilink source parent [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) So now the police have to act as mechanics? What if the emergency is not life threatening, but I could lose my job if I don't get some paperwork to the courthouse in time? Do I still have to get the police involved for an override? Maybe the emergency is I have to get my kids to school. Maybe the emergency is I have an ice cream cake melting in the trunk of my car. At what point is it too trivial to waste the time of emergency services because a sensor went bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if a different sensor in your car went bad and kept the engine from starting, even though the engine is mechanically sound? This isn't a new issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Then there is something dramatically wrong with my car, because there shouldn't be one sensor that prevents the car from working entirely. A car kept in good repair should not suddenly and completely stop working. If you're handy, you might even fix whatever is wrong with the car yourself. If my battery dies, I can jump start the car. I had a car once that would fail to start unless you pushed it downhill a bit to reduce the resistance to turning over. A breathalyzer is often wrong. Diabetes can cause ketosis that will trigger a positive breathalyzer. Someone on the atkins diet could have ketones on their breath. Worst of all, they can be fooled by someone who is drunk and wants to bypass the restrictions, so it's probably not going to actually stop any drunks who are trying to drive. This is a brand new issue, because you're talking about a device that doesn't exist yet which passively and reliably detects impairment or BAC and then deliberately and completely disables a vehicle with no recourse. I'm in favor of preventing drunk driving, but we need a better solution than "invent a technology that somehow prevents drunk driving." That's not even a plan, it's a vision board. Maybe the device should reduce emissions and provide healthcare, too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shitwolves@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 2 years ago Perfect, I can get shot by the cops while trying to get to the hospital. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Great, another problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago There's no problem you can't make worse by calling the police. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago There's no problem you can't make worse by calling the police. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago So along with an alcohol sensor there has to be a cellular connection bc as well? What happens when you’re stuck in a rural area with little/no cell coverage? And who is paying the cost of all this new technology? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) So now the police have to act as mechanics? What if the emergency is not life threatening, but I could lose my job if I don't get some paperwork to the courthouse in time? Do I still have to get the police involved for an override? Maybe the emergency is I have to get my kids to school. Maybe the emergency is I have an ice cream cake melting in the trunk of my car. At what point is it too trivial to waste the time of emergency services because a sensor went bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if a different sensor in your car went bad and kept the engine from starting, even though the engine is mechanically sound? This isn't a new issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Then there is something dramatically wrong with my car, because there shouldn't be one sensor that prevents the car from working entirely. A car kept in good repair should not suddenly and completely stop working. If you're handy, you might even fix whatever is wrong with the car yourself. If my battery dies, I can jump start the car. I had a car once that would fail to start unless you pushed it downhill a bit to reduce the resistance to turning over. A breathalyzer is often wrong. Diabetes can cause ketosis that will trigger a positive breathalyzer. Someone on the atkins diet could have ketones on their breath. Worst of all, they can be fooled by someone who is drunk and wants to bypass the restrictions, so it's probably not going to actually stop any drunks who are trying to drive. This is a brand new issue, because you're talking about a device that doesn't exist yet which passively and reliably detects impairment or BAC and then deliberately and completely disables a vehicle with no recourse. I'm in favor of preventing drunk driving, but we need a better solution than "invent a technology that somehow prevents drunk driving." That's not even a plan, it's a vision board. Maybe the device should reduce emissions and provide healthcare, too. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if a different sensor in your car went bad and kept the engine from starting, even though the engine is mechanically sound? This isn't a new issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Then there is something dramatically wrong with my car, because there shouldn't be one sensor that prevents the car from working entirely. A car kept in good repair should not suddenly and completely stop working. If you're handy, you might even fix whatever is wrong with the car yourself. If my battery dies, I can jump start the car. I had a car once that would fail to start unless you pushed it downhill a bit to reduce the resistance to turning over. A breathalyzer is often wrong. Diabetes can cause ketosis that will trigger a positive breathalyzer. Someone on the atkins diet could have ketones on their breath. Worst of all, they can be fooled by someone who is drunk and wants to bypass the restrictions, so it's probably not going to actually stop any drunks who are trying to drive. This is a brand new issue, because you're talking about a device that doesn't exist yet which passively and reliably detects impairment or BAC and then deliberately and completely disables a vehicle with no recourse. I'm in favor of preventing drunk driving, but we need a better solution than "invent a technology that somehow prevents drunk driving." That's not even a plan, it's a vision board. Maybe the device should reduce emissions and provide healthcare, too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Then there is something dramatically wrong with my car, because there shouldn't be one sensor that prevents the car from working entirely. A car kept in good repair should not suddenly and completely stop working. If you're handy, you might even fix whatever is wrong with the car yourself. If my battery dies, I can jump start the car. I had a car once that would fail to start unless you pushed it downhill a bit to reduce the resistance to turning over. A breathalyzer is often wrong. Diabetes can cause ketosis that will trigger a positive breathalyzer. Someone on the atkins diet could have ketones on their breath. Worst of all, they can be fooled by someone who is drunk and wants to bypass the restrictions, so it's probably not going to actually stop any drunks who are trying to drive. This is a brand new issue, because you're talking about a device that doesn't exist yet which passively and reliably detects impairment or BAC and then deliberately and completely disables a vehicle with no recourse. I'm in favor of preventing drunk driving, but we need a better solution than "invent a technology that somehow prevents drunk driving." That's not even a plan, it's a vision board. Maybe the device should reduce emissions and provide healthcare, too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shitwolves@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 2 years ago Perfect, I can get shot by the cops while trying to get to the hospital. permalink fedilink source parent