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[–] Rev@lemmygrad.ml 104 points 3 years ago (5 children) permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 75 points 3 years ago (3 children) Basic image analysis like this should have been done ages ago, but libs don't care about the truth just blind propagandizing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Rev@lemmygrad.ml 83 points 3 years ago (2 children) I was honestly so surprised myself when I realized that the supposed most famous picture of the massacre didn't show a single dead body. Just makes you think about how easily can falsehood be used for propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 74 points 3 years ago (3 children) One of the first casualties of the whole protest was an unarmed PLA officer that was tied to a bus by the protestors and burnt alive. Then mocked and photographed. They never share that photo around though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (4 children) Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation. Westerners also don't pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre" if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 years ago (1 child) During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Not true, they do ... And they claim that it's another instance of SeePeePee violence ... Let me see if I can find the libbed up reddit thread where I saw it: Not as upvoted as I remember, the post is a Midjourney selfie from tank man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Parsani@hexbear.net 62 points 3 years ago (2 children) I didn't know there was a video of tank man until like two years ago. It was always shown as an image with the implication he was then killed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kuori@hexbear.net 58 points 3 years ago (4 children) i distinctly remember being 'informed' that "right after this photo, he was disappeared by the secret police and never seen or heard from again!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 years ago funny how that works permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) I remember being sat in my classroom as a primary school kid with my teacher showing us that photo on the newspaper days after the event and him telling us to think about what happened to that poor brave man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what happened to that poor brave man. He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] temptest@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago Let's supposed it was done: (I don't know if anyone did or didn't) Who would have broadcasted or platformed it? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SleepyCat@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Melonius@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH permalink fedilink source parent [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 3 years ago (1 child) the Tiananmen Square Bicycle Massacre permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago (1 child) GRAINEATER permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 years ago (1 child) sup permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 years ago (2 children) Long time no see! Its lovely to have all the hexbears here, I can't believe they finally federated! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago it really do be nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago thank you for having us permalink fedilink source parent [–] richietozier4@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (1 child) You don't get it! Deng flattened all the people with his fat cheeks, then inflated everyone back up, then cleaned up the blood and viscera but not the bodies! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) You joke but there is a BBC article that literally claims that someone saw dead bodies of the protestors beinng churned and sent down the gutter or something like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago Yes, it was the British Ambassador IIRC and the Australian prime minister caused a minor drama by reading out the cable like the next day. Incidentally that Australian Labor Prime Minister was informing to the US for decades prior and led the US-proposed agreement between unions, corporates and the government which ended up collapsing the union movement and bringing in a wave of austerity a decade later. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago I remember that and it was that they ran tanks over hundreds of bodies for hours turning the remains into pulp so they could wash them down the gutters. It was years ago before I knew better and actually believed that shit. Imagine thinking that they were able to sneak out all these other photos but not any of the events they SAY happened? lol. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 75 points 3 years ago (3 children) Basic image analysis like this should have been done ages ago, but libs don't care about the truth just blind propagandizing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Rev@lemmygrad.ml 83 points 3 years ago (2 children) I was honestly so surprised myself when I realized that the supposed most famous picture of the massacre didn't show a single dead body. Just makes you think about how easily can falsehood be used for propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 74 points 3 years ago (3 children) One of the first casualties of the whole protest was an unarmed PLA officer that was tied to a bus by the protestors and burnt alive. Then mocked and photographed. They never share that photo around though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (4 children) Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation. Westerners also don't pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre" if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 years ago (1 child) During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Not true, they do ... And they claim that it's another instance of SeePeePee violence ... Let me see if I can find the libbed up reddit thread where I saw it: Not as upvoted as I remember, the post is a Midjourney selfie from tank man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Parsani@hexbear.net 62 points 3 years ago (2 children) I didn't know there was a video of tank man until like two years ago. It was always shown as an image with the implication he was then killed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kuori@hexbear.net 58 points 3 years ago (4 children) i distinctly remember being 'informed' that "right after this photo, he was disappeared by the secret police and never seen or heard from again!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 years ago funny how that works permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) I remember being sat in my classroom as a primary school kid with my teacher showing us that photo on the newspaper days after the event and him telling us to think about what happened to that poor brave man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what happened to that poor brave man. He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] temptest@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago Let's supposed it was done: (I don't know if anyone did or didn't) Who would have broadcasted or platformed it? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Rev@lemmygrad.ml 83 points 3 years ago (2 children) I was honestly so surprised myself when I realized that the supposed most famous picture of the massacre didn't show a single dead body. Just makes you think about how easily can falsehood be used for propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 74 points 3 years ago (3 children) One of the first casualties of the whole protest was an unarmed PLA officer that was tied to a bus by the protestors and burnt alive. Then mocked and photographed. They never share that photo around though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (4 children) Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation. Westerners also don't pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre" if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 years ago (1 child) During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Not true, they do ... And they claim that it's another instance of SeePeePee violence ... Let me see if I can find the libbed up reddit thread where I saw it: Not as upvoted as I remember, the post is a Midjourney selfie from tank man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Parsani@hexbear.net 62 points 3 years ago (2 children) I didn't know there was a video of tank man until like two years ago. It was always shown as an image with the implication he was then killed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kuori@hexbear.net 58 points 3 years ago (4 children) i distinctly remember being 'informed' that "right after this photo, he was disappeared by the secret police and never seen or heard from again!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 years ago funny how that works permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) I remember being sat in my classroom as a primary school kid with my teacher showing us that photo on the newspaper days after the event and him telling us to think about what happened to that poor brave man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what happened to that poor brave man. He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 74 points 3 years ago (3 children) One of the first casualties of the whole protest was an unarmed PLA officer that was tied to a bus by the protestors and burnt alive. Then mocked and photographed. They never share that photo around though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (4 children) Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation. Westerners also don't pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre" if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 years ago (1 child) During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Not true, they do ... And they claim that it's another instance of SeePeePee violence ... Let me see if I can find the libbed up reddit thread where I saw it: Not as upvoted as I remember, the post is a Midjourney selfie from tank man. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (4 children) Westerners refuse to believe that about half the fatalities were PLA members because in their countries, the police would never be unarmed, never abandon their equipment, never hesitate to kill in retaliation. Westerners also don't pity the murdered PLA officers because they view them the same as their own police: violent people that eagerly abuse their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre" if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 years ago (1 child) During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think that's the most eye-opening thing about this "massacre" if this had happened in the US, the streets would have run with rivers of blood. It would've been utterly brutal. And the US would be the one rewriting history to try and pretend it never happened. It's always projection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yeah so much western propaganda is essentially just accusing this or that country of being like the USA. I genuinely don't understand why it's so effective permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago Because the other half of the propaganda is convincing people that the USA isn't like the USA. No idea how that one works so well either thought. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (1 child) The same reason why slave-ocrats said that enslaved people liked to be enslaved, but were in constant fear of revolts. They live in fear of being treated like they've treated others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago (1 child) And they've been taught that history is over, there's no alternative, which means other places must be exactly like the US. It's inconceivable that other places could be run differently even while those places are thought of as other. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's even worse, they automatically assume those places must be worse. So if US politicians are being unaccountable corrupted bureocrats, the others must be complete tyrants, if US police is murdering and brutalizing people left and right in the open without any repercussion, the others must be worse than gestapo, and so on and on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/ explains it well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago Thanks for the essay! I just finished it, it's some of the most pointed and relevant stuff I've read in a long while. I especially liked this bit towards the end: When we proudly assert that we are for the individual over the collective, we’re essentially saying that some people count as people, and some don’t. At the heart of liberalism lies dehumanization; we should not forget that slave ownership was one of the original “individual rights” that was so fiercely fought for by American revolutionaries. Therein the arguments against socialist states. Every death under socialism is a failure of the government, because it dared to try to solve problems collectively. Under capitalism, deaths are due to the individual’s failures, and therefore no one’s responsibility. Also it's hilarious how the author thought to compare Marx with Tupac permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It works because America's propaganda regime is so hegemonic and overwhelming that the vast majority of Americans assume everywhere else is just like america - All cops are violent, all soldiers are used for foreign wars of aggression, all politicians are corrupt and believe in nothing. The idea of a political leader who acts from firmly held convictions, wants to help people, and is uninterested in using their position for wealth and power simply isn't something that exists in the average American's conceptual framework of reality. They readily believe so much propaganda because in many ways the propaganda simply tells them that other places are just like the US they experience every day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Definitely. Americans in particular are surrounded by media that affirms and reaffirms their supposed greatness, but libs across the west believe similar stuff and it's not just because they're in an echo chamber. emizeko shared this article that goes into another aspect of liberal myth making: westerners agree with this shit because they want to. Westerners aren’t helpless innocents whose minds are injected with atrocity propaganda, science fiction-style; they’re generally smug bourgeois proletarians who intelligently seek out as much racist propaganda as they can get their hands on. This is because it fundamentally makes them feel better about who they are and how they live. I believe that, on the contrary, the process of Western propaganda is better understood in terms of “licensing”: the issuing of moral license for the bourgeois proletariat to profitably go along with bourgeois designs without the feeling of shame overwhelming. In this alternative account people aren’t “brainwashed” insofar as they don’t actually believe the lies, not in the way that we generally understand belief. It’s more correct to say that they go along with them, whether enthusiastically or apprehensively, because it’s actually their optimal survival strategy. I think everyone is well aware of how little change they can truly effect within liberal democracy. How much carnage their governments cause at home and abroad. What happens to people who protest... Accepting that all the people our government subjugates deserve it brings a sort of comfort. Pride, even. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Everyone here knows that there's a threshold where the US will explode in to armed conflict. There are 800,000 cops in this country and every one of them is a psychopathic fascist champing for a chance to spill innocent blood. It's harrowing trying to do street marches with Libs who are too ignorant and foolish to understand how dangerous the cops are. Trying to save them from themselves is not fun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 3 years ago (3 children) Imagine if BLM protestors had tied an unarmed, out of uniform, cop to a bus and burnt them alive what the libs would be screaming for. They would want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago No need to speculate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were strung up after they were immolated, and the fire was so effective because it was a petrol bomb (which was likely sourced from a certain oil-obsessed freedom country) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) My understanding that in the initial ambush firebombs were thrown in to PLA troop trucks and in to the open hatches of APCs, and the troops inside had no warning and no real chance to escape. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 3 years ago I mean a lot of libs did want outright slaughter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 years ago (1 child) During the New York Draft Riots, the New York Times machine gunned protestors. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) In authoritarian America, citizens aren't taught the history of the New York Draft Riots and anyone who googles 紐約徵兵暴動 gets disappeared by their secret police! 😱😱 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago I asked an American about the New York Draft Riots once, and he gave me a clearly uncomfortable look. That said it all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 3 years ago Word. Kent state? Armed National Guard goons in full battle rattle with bayonets fixed fired 7.62mm rifles point blank in to students. Tianemen? The majority of the PLA soldiers in the square didn't have any weapons of any kind what so ever. They didn't have batons. They didn't have helmets. They were just wearing their uniforms and basically standing there. It was a show of force, certainly, but unlike anything I can think of in Western political history. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Comrade_Vig@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Not true, they do ... And they claim that it's another instance of SeePeePee violence ... Let me see if I can find the libbed up reddit thread where I saw it: Not as upvoted as I remember, the post is a Midjourney selfie from tank man. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 62 points 3 years ago (2 children) I didn't know there was a video of tank man until like two years ago. It was always shown as an image with the implication he was then killed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kuori@hexbear.net 58 points 3 years ago (4 children) i distinctly remember being 'informed' that "right after this photo, he was disappeared by the secret police and never seen or heard from again!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 years ago funny how that works permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) I remember being sat in my classroom as a primary school kid with my teacher showing us that photo on the newspaper days after the event and him telling us to think about what happened to that poor brave man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what happened to that poor brave man. He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 58 points 3 years ago (4 children) i distinctly remember being 'informed' that "right after this photo, he was disappeared by the secret police and never seen or heard from again!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 years ago funny how that works permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yea that was the version I was "taught", that no one knows who is is or what happened to him and obviously that means the communist party disappeared him permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (1 child) Western media loves to talk about disappearances because you can say anyone has "disappeared" if they've just been out of the public eye for a bit. The audience is led to believe the implication that they were killed or imprisoned at some black site, but since the source never actually said that they technically didn't say anything false, even if they were perfectly fine the whole time. Anybody remember that tennis player, Peng Shuai? I had a lib I know irl hit me with it as evidence that China was disappearing dissidents. I mentioned the above to him, and then, sure enough, she got Juche necromancy-ed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago Now there's a man who could have done with a little Juche necromancy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 3 years ago funny how that works permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) I remember being sat in my classroom as a primary school kid with my teacher showing us that photo on the newspaper days after the event and him telling us to think about what happened to that poor brave man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what happened to that poor brave man. He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago (2 children) what happened to that poor brave man. He probably went home to clean up, and later hooked up with some PLA Chad for a romantic dinner. When he climbed on the tank for a chat he was actually exchanging numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) My theory, based on the fact that he had a shopping bag, was that the dude in the tank was his son: "Hey, didn't I tell you grandma and grandpa are coming over tonight?" "Uh, yeah dad, could we talk about this later?" "No. And do you remember how I specifically asked you to pick up some lettuce and tomatoes on the way to work?" "Uh, dad, we're kind of holding up traffic here... WHAT THE HELL, DAD PLEASE GET OFF THE TANK, PLEASE, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME" Tank Man was later given a medal for Most Epic Dad Moment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] temptest@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago Let's supposed it was done: (I don't know if anyone did or didn't) Who would have broadcasted or platformed it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleepyCat@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 3 years ago (2 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Melonius@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 3 years ago (1 child) the Tiananmen Square Bicycle Massacre permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago (1 child) GRAINEATER permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 years ago (1 child) sup permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 years ago (2 children) Long time no see! Its lovely to have all the hexbears here, I can't believe they finally federated! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago it really do be nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago thank you for having us permalink fedilink source parent
[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago (1 child) GRAINEATER permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 years ago (1 child) sup permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 years ago (2 children) Long time no see! Its lovely to have all the hexbears here, I can't believe they finally federated! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago it really do be nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago thank you for having us permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 years ago (1 child) sup permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 years ago (2 children) Long time no see! Its lovely to have all the hexbears here, I can't believe they finally federated! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago it really do be nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago thank you for having us permalink fedilink source parent
[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 years ago (2 children) Long time no see! Its lovely to have all the hexbears here, I can't believe they finally federated! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago it really do be nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago thank you for having us permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago it really do be nice permalink fedilink source parent
[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 8 points 3 years ago thank you for having us permalink fedilink source parent
[–] richietozier4@hexbear.net 45 points 3 years ago (1 child) You don't get it! Deng flattened all the people with his fat cheeks, then inflated everyone back up, then cleaned up the blood and viscera but not the bodies! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) You joke but there is a BBC article that literally claims that someone saw dead bodies of the protestors beinng churned and sent down the gutter or something like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago Yes, it was the British Ambassador IIRC and the Australian prime minister caused a minor drama by reading out the cable like the next day. Incidentally that Australian Labor Prime Minister was informing to the US for decades prior and led the US-proposed agreement between unions, corporates and the government which ended up collapsing the union movement and bringing in a wave of austerity a decade later. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago I remember that and it was that they ran tanks over hundreds of bodies for hours turning the remains into pulp so they could wash them down the gutters. It was years ago before I knew better and actually believed that shit. Imagine thinking that they were able to sneak out all these other photos but not any of the events they SAY happened? lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago (2 children) You joke but there is a BBC article that literally claims that someone saw dead bodies of the protestors beinng churned and sent down the gutter or something like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago Yes, it was the British Ambassador IIRC and the Australian prime minister caused a minor drama by reading out the cable like the next day. Incidentally that Australian Labor Prime Minister was informing to the US for decades prior and led the US-proposed agreement between unions, corporates and the government which ended up collapsing the union movement and bringing in a wave of austerity a decade later. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago I remember that and it was that they ran tanks over hundreds of bodies for hours turning the remains into pulp so they could wash them down the gutters. It was years ago before I knew better and actually believed that shit. Imagine thinking that they were able to sneak out all these other photos but not any of the events they SAY happened? lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago Yes, it was the British Ambassador IIRC and the Australian prime minister caused a minor drama by reading out the cable like the next day. Incidentally that Australian Labor Prime Minister was informing to the US for decades prior and led the US-proposed agreement between unions, corporates and the government which ended up collapsing the union movement and bringing in a wave of austerity a decade later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago I remember that and it was that they ran tanks over hundreds of bodies for hours turning the remains into pulp so they could wash them down the gutters. It was years ago before I knew better and actually believed that shit. Imagine thinking that they were able to sneak out all these other photos but not any of the events they SAY happened? lol. permalink fedilink source parent