▲ 1758 ▼ Pluralistic: "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing" (pluralistic.net) submitted 2 years ago by kpw@kbin.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 480 comments fedilink hide all child comments The ability to change features, prices, and availability of things you've already paid for is a powerful temptation to corporations.
[+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -67 points 2 years ago (7 children) I bet you aren't a software developer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a software developer, and I endorse the grandparent comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -26 points 2 years ago (1 child) And you all just were happy and bro fisted people who ignored the licensing terms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Well, not literally, both because I'm more inclined to "high five" and you can't do either gesture over the Internet. But figuratively, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -17 points 2 years ago (4 children) Why don't you just gift away your software than? That's an honest question. You obviously aren't expecting to be paid for it, do you think in general developers shouldn't earn money with software or is it just you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don’t you just gift away your software than? Because I don't make those decisions; my employer does. They ought to give it away, but they don't. (The software I've worked on has tended to be either (a) tools for internal company use or (b) stuff used by the government/large companies where the revenue would definitely have come from a support contract even if the code itself were free.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago I am a system engineer who works on a project that is open source, AMA permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The writer whose article is the subject of this post releases his books without DRM. He ends his podcast with a quote encouraging piracy. I found him because of an earlier book he released under a share alike licence He has found that piracy increases the reach of his message, and increases his sales permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Software developer who gives away my software for free as Free and Open Source Software. I agree with the grand-grand-parent comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] puttybrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 years ago (4 children) If I made software that people cared enough about to crack and pirate, I'd be happy that it's popular enough for that to happen. I am a software developer but I've only worked on SaAS and open source projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zerofk@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) I work on software which is pirated. It is even sold by crackers, who make money off my work. This does not make me proud. What does make me proud is when a paying customer says they love a specific feature, or that our software saves them a lot of manual work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Did you intentionally misunderstand the comment you replied to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pride unfortunately doesn't pay the bills. It's terrific that you contribute to open source, but not all commercial software can be open sourced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Popularity opens other ways to make money. Open source is profitable for GNU. Cory Doctorow does fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it's reasonable to expect every commercial product to find profitability through exposure. I can attest to this first hand as I had published an open source Android game that was republished without ads. This led me to ultimately make the repository private, because I could not find a way to remain profitable while offering the source code and bearing the costs of labor and various cloud services. On the flip side I guess I can take credit for the millions of installs from the other app… except they didn't publicly acknowledge me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was it under a "copyleft" licence (like GPL) that forces the other one to also be open source? Did you use a licence that requires you are acknowledged? If you did the first, you at least pulled someone else into open source work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Most people who work on open source projects have a lucrative job and work on Open Source on the side. I also volunteer, but I still need a job that actually pays me as well. Reading some of the comments here it feels like speaking to little children who believe money magically appears on their account. permalink fedilink source parent [+] aksdb@feddit.de -30 points 2 years ago Tell me which so I can develop a competing service and steal your userbase! permalink fedilink source parent [+] satan@r.nf -39 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'd be happy that it's popular enough for that to happen. of course you would. you would actually give them your house and wife, because you're so proud now. right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ah yes, because downloading Shark_Tale.mp4 is exactly the same as someone taking your house away from you and obtaining your wife and owning her as personal property. Get some fucking perspective. I usually try to be polite online but this is just straight up moronic and you need to be told so bluntly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago Lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] iegod@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago You need to disconnect the badness with the term stealing because you're just wrong. Yeah it's ip infringement. Yes it's illegal. Yes people are impacted. And still... Not stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rough_N_Ready@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I have been for over 20 years actually! What do I get for winning the bet? Edit: One of our games we actually ended up supporting a form of piracy. A huge amount of our user base ended up using cheat tools to play our game which meant that they could get things that they would normally have to purchase with premium currency. Instead of banning them, we were careful to not break their cheat tools and I even had to debug why their cheat tool stopped working after a release. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* How did your employer pay your salaries? Or did your money perhaps came from those people who actually do pay for in-game currency in your games? permalink fedilink source parent [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You aren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes I am. And the two companies I worked for both were small, offered their products for cheap and still had people pirating the modules or circumvent licensing terms. It's a legit problem that a lot of people don't see why they should pay for software simply because it's sometimes easy to steal it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) circumvent licensing terms So to be clear: was it possible to purchase and own the software? Or did users have to pay a subscription for a license? Because personally I'm getting sick of every piece of software thinking it's appropriate to require a subscription. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How about you don't use it if it is to be paid by subscription? How is it justified to go against an agreement just because you don't like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) If something is wrong you have a moral obligation to go against it. Be it legal or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Naa, I'd just pirate it. Fuck the rent-seekers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago So either way I'm not paying for it. In that case pirating is not a lost sale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] vsh@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago BINGPOT. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I am. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a software developer, and I endorse the grandparent comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -26 points 2 years ago (1 child) And you all just were happy and bro fisted people who ignored the licensing terms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Well, not literally, both because I'm more inclined to "high five" and you can't do either gesture over the Internet. But figuratively, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -17 points 2 years ago (4 children) Why don't you just gift away your software than? That's an honest question. You obviously aren't expecting to be paid for it, do you think in general developers shouldn't earn money with software or is it just you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don’t you just gift away your software than? Because I don't make those decisions; my employer does. They ought to give it away, but they don't. (The software I've worked on has tended to be either (a) tools for internal company use or (b) stuff used by the government/large companies where the revenue would definitely have come from a support contract even if the code itself were free.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago I am a system engineer who works on a project that is open source, AMA permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The writer whose article is the subject of this post releases his books without DRM. He ends his podcast with a quote encouraging piracy. I found him because of an earlier book he released under a share alike licence He has found that piracy increases the reach of his message, and increases his sales permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Software developer who gives away my software for free as Free and Open Source Software. I agree with the grand-grand-parent comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -26 points 2 years ago (1 child) And you all just were happy and bro fisted people who ignored the licensing terms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Well, not literally, both because I'm more inclined to "high five" and you can't do either gesture over the Internet. But figuratively, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -17 points 2 years ago (4 children) Why don't you just gift away your software than? That's an honest question. You obviously aren't expecting to be paid for it, do you think in general developers shouldn't earn money with software or is it just you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don’t you just gift away your software than? Because I don't make those decisions; my employer does. They ought to give it away, but they don't. (The software I've worked on has tended to be either (a) tools for internal company use or (b) stuff used by the government/large companies where the revenue would definitely have come from a support contract even if the code itself were free.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago I am a system engineer who works on a project that is open source, AMA permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The writer whose article is the subject of this post releases his books without DRM. He ends his podcast with a quote encouraging piracy. I found him because of an earlier book he released under a share alike licence He has found that piracy increases the reach of his message, and increases his sales permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Software developer who gives away my software for free as Free and Open Source Software. I agree with the grand-grand-parent comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Well, not literally, both because I'm more inclined to "high five" and you can't do either gesture over the Internet. But figuratively, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -17 points 2 years ago (4 children) Why don't you just gift away your software than? That's an honest question. You obviously aren't expecting to be paid for it, do you think in general developers shouldn't earn money with software or is it just you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don’t you just gift away your software than? Because I don't make those decisions; my employer does. They ought to give it away, but they don't. (The software I've worked on has tended to be either (a) tools for internal company use or (b) stuff used by the government/large companies where the revenue would definitely have come from a support contract even if the code itself were free.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago I am a system engineer who works on a project that is open source, AMA permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The writer whose article is the subject of this post releases his books without DRM. He ends his podcast with a quote encouraging piracy. I found him because of an earlier book he released under a share alike licence He has found that piracy increases the reach of his message, and increases his sales permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Software developer who gives away my software for free as Free and Open Source Software. I agree with the grand-grand-parent comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -17 points 2 years ago (4 children) Why don't you just gift away your software than? That's an honest question. You obviously aren't expecting to be paid for it, do you think in general developers shouldn't earn money with software or is it just you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don’t you just gift away your software than? Because I don't make those decisions; my employer does. They ought to give it away, but they don't. (The software I've worked on has tended to be either (a) tools for internal company use or (b) stuff used by the government/large companies where the revenue would definitely have come from a support contract even if the code itself were free.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago I am a system engineer who works on a project that is open source, AMA permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The writer whose article is the subject of this post releases his books without DRM. He ends his podcast with a quote encouraging piracy. I found him because of an earlier book he released under a share alike licence He has found that piracy increases the reach of his message, and increases his sales permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Software developer who gives away my software for free as Free and Open Source Software. I agree with the grand-grand-parent comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why don’t you just gift away your software than? Because I don't make those decisions; my employer does. They ought to give it away, but they don't. (The software I've worked on has tended to be either (a) tools for internal company use or (b) stuff used by the government/large companies where the revenue would definitely have come from a support contract even if the code itself were free.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) ParsnipWitch seems to have been eaten by a grue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dethedrus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's what happens when you forget to cast Frotz. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you would work for free for your employer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That question is a red herring. My employer isn't paying me to write software; they're paying me to write the software they want instead of the software I want to make. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aniki@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago I am a system engineer who works on a project that is open source, AMA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The writer whose article is the subject of this post releases his books without DRM. He ends his podcast with a quote encouraging piracy. I found him because of an earlier book he released under a share alike licence He has found that piracy increases the reach of his message, and increases his sales permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That doesn't answer my questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago Your question is irrelevant as claiming "you either support 100% paid or you support 100% free distribution" is a false dichotomy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Software developer who gives away my software for free as Free and Open Source Software. I agree with the grand-grand-parent comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puttybrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 years ago (4 children) If I made software that people cared enough about to crack and pirate, I'd be happy that it's popular enough for that to happen. I am a software developer but I've only worked on SaAS and open source projects. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zerofk@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) I work on software which is pirated. It is even sold by crackers, who make money off my work. This does not make me proud. What does make me proud is when a paying customer says they love a specific feature, or that our software saves them a lot of manual work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Did you intentionally misunderstand the comment you replied to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pride unfortunately doesn't pay the bills. It's terrific that you contribute to open source, but not all commercial software can be open sourced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Popularity opens other ways to make money. Open source is profitable for GNU. Cory Doctorow does fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it's reasonable to expect every commercial product to find profitability through exposure. I can attest to this first hand as I had published an open source Android game that was republished without ads. This led me to ultimately make the repository private, because I could not find a way to remain profitable while offering the source code and bearing the costs of labor and various cloud services. On the flip side I guess I can take credit for the millions of installs from the other app… except they didn't publicly acknowledge me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was it under a "copyleft" licence (like GPL) that forces the other one to also be open source? Did you use a licence that requires you are acknowledged? If you did the first, you at least pulled someone else into open source work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Most people who work on open source projects have a lucrative job and work on Open Source on the side. I also volunteer, but I still need a job that actually pays me as well. Reading some of the comments here it feels like speaking to little children who believe money magically appears on their account. permalink fedilink source parent [+] aksdb@feddit.de -30 points 2 years ago Tell me which so I can develop a competing service and steal your userbase! permalink fedilink source parent [+] satan@r.nf -39 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'd be happy that it's popular enough for that to happen. of course you would. you would actually give them your house and wife, because you're so proud now. right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ah yes, because downloading Shark_Tale.mp4 is exactly the same as someone taking your house away from you and obtaining your wife and owning her as personal property. Get some fucking perspective. I usually try to be polite online but this is just straight up moronic and you need to be told so bluntly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago Lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) I work on software which is pirated. It is even sold by crackers, who make money off my work. This does not make me proud. What does make me proud is when a paying customer says they love a specific feature, or that our software saves them a lot of manual work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Did you intentionally misunderstand the comment you replied to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Did you intentionally misunderstand the comment you replied to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Did you intentionally misunderstand the comment you replied to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pride unfortunately doesn't pay the bills. It's terrific that you contribute to open source, but not all commercial software can be open sourced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Popularity opens other ways to make money. Open source is profitable for GNU. Cory Doctorow does fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it's reasonable to expect every commercial product to find profitability through exposure. I can attest to this first hand as I had published an open source Android game that was republished without ads. This led me to ultimately make the repository private, because I could not find a way to remain profitable while offering the source code and bearing the costs of labor and various cloud services. On the flip side I guess I can take credit for the millions of installs from the other app… except they didn't publicly acknowledge me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was it under a "copyleft" licence (like GPL) that forces the other one to also be open source? Did you use a licence that requires you are acknowledged? If you did the first, you at least pulled someone else into open source work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Most people who work on open source projects have a lucrative job and work on Open Source on the side. I also volunteer, but I still need a job that actually pays me as well. Reading some of the comments here it feels like speaking to little children who believe money magically appears on their account. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Popularity opens other ways to make money. Open source is profitable for GNU. Cory Doctorow does fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it's reasonable to expect every commercial product to find profitability through exposure. I can attest to this first hand as I had published an open source Android game that was republished without ads. This led me to ultimately make the repository private, because I could not find a way to remain profitable while offering the source code and bearing the costs of labor and various cloud services. On the flip side I guess I can take credit for the millions of installs from the other app… except they didn't publicly acknowledge me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was it under a "copyleft" licence (like GPL) that forces the other one to also be open source? Did you use a licence that requires you are acknowledged? If you did the first, you at least pulled someone else into open source work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't think it's reasonable to expect every commercial product to find profitability through exposure. I can attest to this first hand as I had published an open source Android game that was republished without ads. This led me to ultimately make the repository private, because I could not find a way to remain profitable while offering the source code and bearing the costs of labor and various cloud services. On the flip side I guess I can take credit for the millions of installs from the other app… except they didn't publicly acknowledge me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was it under a "copyleft" licence (like GPL) that forces the other one to also be open source? Did you use a licence that requires you are acknowledged? If you did the first, you at least pulled someone else into open source work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Was it under a "copyleft" licence (like GPL) that forces the other one to also be open source? Did you use a licence that requires you are acknowledged? If you did the first, you at least pulled someone else into open source work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Yes, GPL. At the time I had seen that it had been forked into numerous private repositories, I believe roughly 100 or so. Perhaps I could have made a claim to have the other app taken down through Google Play, but I had no faith that this would be resolved, and even if it would be, it would be an ongoing problem. As for whether they would have made open source contributions or not is in the end a moot point for me, because the only change that I observed was that they changed the colors and typeface and extracted the in-game menu into a separate welcome screen. I would not have merged this back into my repository. While I myself violated the copyleft of my project by taking it closed source, I felt that it was my only resort. I've continued to develop the game over the past few years and by modernizing it and adding additional content, I've been able to significantly outpace my competitor. For me, this ordeal had been a bit of an eye opener. I came out of university fully supportive of open source and when I discovered how this affected a real world project, I genuinely approached this situation understanding that it was just a risk I needed to accept. However, in the three years that it was available on GitHub, I received only two small PRs, and combined with the license violations, I felt that there was really no advantage to keeping it open source. While this is just my anecdote, it has changed my perspective on how open source can realistically work more broadly. I honestly can't envision any kind of business that needs to offset large production costs able to publish that content viably as open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Most people who work on open source projects have a lucrative job and work on Open Source on the side. I also volunteer, but I still need a job that actually pays me as well. Reading some of the comments here it feels like speaking to little children who believe money magically appears on their account. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aksdb@feddit.de -30 points 2 years ago Tell me which so I can develop a competing service and steal your userbase! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] satan@r.nf -39 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'd be happy that it's popular enough for that to happen. of course you would. you would actually give them your house and wife, because you're so proud now. right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ah yes, because downloading Shark_Tale.mp4 is exactly the same as someone taking your house away from you and obtaining your wife and owning her as personal property. Get some fucking perspective. I usually try to be polite online but this is just straight up moronic and you need to be told so bluntly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago Lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Ah yes, because downloading Shark_Tale.mp4 is exactly the same as someone taking your house away from you and obtaining your wife and owning her as personal property. Get some fucking perspective. I usually try to be polite online but this is just straight up moronic and you need to be told so bluntly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iegod@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago You need to disconnect the badness with the term stealing because you're just wrong. Yeah it's ip infringement. Yes it's illegal. Yes people are impacted. And still... Not stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rough_N_Ready@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I have been for over 20 years actually! What do I get for winning the bet? Edit: One of our games we actually ended up supporting a form of piracy. A huge amount of our user base ended up using cheat tools to play our game which meant that they could get things that they would normally have to purchase with premium currency. Instead of banning them, we were careful to not break their cheat tools and I even had to debug why their cheat tool stopped working after a release. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* How did your employer pay your salaries? Or did your money perhaps came from those people who actually do pay for in-game currency in your games? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* How did your employer pay your salaries? Or did your money perhaps came from those people who actually do pay for in-game currency in your games? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You aren't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes I am. And the two companies I worked for both were small, offered their products for cheap and still had people pirating the modules or circumvent licensing terms. It's a legit problem that a lot of people don't see why they should pay for software simply because it's sometimes easy to steal it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) circumvent licensing terms So to be clear: was it possible to purchase and own the software? Or did users have to pay a subscription for a license? Because personally I'm getting sick of every piece of software thinking it's appropriate to require a subscription. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How about you don't use it if it is to be paid by subscription? How is it justified to go against an agreement just because you don't like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) If something is wrong you have a moral obligation to go against it. Be it legal or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Naa, I'd just pirate it. Fuck the rent-seekers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago So either way I'm not paying for it. In that case pirating is not a lost sale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] vsh@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yes I am. And the two companies I worked for both were small, offered their products for cheap and still had people pirating the modules or circumvent licensing terms. It's a legit problem that a lot of people don't see why they should pay for software simply because it's sometimes easy to steal it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) circumvent licensing terms So to be clear: was it possible to purchase and own the software? Or did users have to pay a subscription for a license? Because personally I'm getting sick of every piece of software thinking it's appropriate to require a subscription. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How about you don't use it if it is to be paid by subscription? How is it justified to go against an agreement just because you don't like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) If something is wrong you have a moral obligation to go against it. Be it legal or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Naa, I'd just pirate it. Fuck the rent-seekers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago So either way I'm not paying for it. In that case pirating is not a lost sale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] vsh@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) circumvent licensing terms So to be clear: was it possible to purchase and own the software? Or did users have to pay a subscription for a license? Because personally I'm getting sick of every piece of software thinking it's appropriate to require a subscription. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How about you don't use it if it is to be paid by subscription? How is it justified to go against an agreement just because you don't like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) If something is wrong you have a moral obligation to go against it. Be it legal or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Naa, I'd just pirate it. Fuck the rent-seekers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago So either way I'm not paying for it. In that case pirating is not a lost sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How about you don't use it if it is to be paid by subscription? How is it justified to go against an agreement just because you don't like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) If something is wrong you have a moral obligation to go against it. Be it legal or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Naa, I'd just pirate it. Fuck the rent-seekers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago So either way I'm not paying for it. In that case pirating is not a lost sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) If something is wrong you have a moral obligation to go against it. Be it legal or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago All hail the Grand Nagus! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's why I am against indiscriminately pirating all digital goods. Because it's morally wrong to have people work for you and then not pay them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Naa, I'd just pirate it. Fuck the rent-seekers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago Are you against employees getting good wages? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago So either way I'm not paying for it. In that case pirating is not a lost sale. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vsh@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent