▲ 179 ▼ GM’s hydrogen ‘power cubes’ will be used in cement mixers and terminal tractors (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 years ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world 30 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) It is, but a leak could kill you. So 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah that's a problem. However, it might make more sense on balance if we have big nuclear power plants generating clean ammonia while off peak electric demand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why not clean hydrogen? Just the handling issues? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Railison@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago Ammonia is wayyyyyyyy easier to store and contains more hydrogen. Pity about the environmental and health dangers permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 2 years ago You don't have to store liquid ammonia under high pressure and it has a higher energy density by volume than hydrogen. Also, ammonia is already very useful beyond energy storage, such as for fertilizer. Maybe a hybrid system is the way to go, with hydrogen for smaller consumer applications and ammonia for larger industrial ones. I don't know if there's good way to produce ammonia directly by electrolysis yet, so the ammonia might still have to be derived from hydrogen anyway. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Same could be said for hydrogen since it's a tiny bit flammable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, but ammonia chemically burns the eyes, lungs and skin of everyone that comes into contact with the resulting gas in a wide radius. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah that's a problem. However, it might make more sense on balance if we have big nuclear power plants generating clean ammonia while off peak electric demand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why not clean hydrogen? Just the handling issues? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Railison@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago Ammonia is wayyyyyyyy easier to store and contains more hydrogen. Pity about the environmental and health dangers permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 2 years ago You don't have to store liquid ammonia under high pressure and it has a higher energy density by volume than hydrogen. Also, ammonia is already very useful beyond energy storage, such as for fertilizer. Maybe a hybrid system is the way to go, with hydrogen for smaller consumer applications and ammonia for larger industrial ones. I don't know if there's good way to produce ammonia directly by electrolysis yet, so the ammonia might still have to be derived from hydrogen anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why not clean hydrogen? Just the handling issues? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Railison@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago Ammonia is wayyyyyyyy easier to store and contains more hydrogen. Pity about the environmental and health dangers permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 2 years ago You don't have to store liquid ammonia under high pressure and it has a higher energy density by volume than hydrogen. Also, ammonia is already very useful beyond energy storage, such as for fertilizer. Maybe a hybrid system is the way to go, with hydrogen for smaller consumer applications and ammonia for larger industrial ones. I don't know if there's good way to produce ammonia directly by electrolysis yet, so the ammonia might still have to be derived from hydrogen anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Railison@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago Ammonia is wayyyyyyyy easier to store and contains more hydrogen. Pity about the environmental and health dangers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 2 years ago You don't have to store liquid ammonia under high pressure and it has a higher energy density by volume than hydrogen. Also, ammonia is already very useful beyond energy storage, such as for fertilizer. Maybe a hybrid system is the way to go, with hydrogen for smaller consumer applications and ammonia for larger industrial ones. I don't know if there's good way to produce ammonia directly by electrolysis yet, so the ammonia might still have to be derived from hydrogen anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Same could be said for hydrogen since it's a tiny bit flammable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, but ammonia chemically burns the eyes, lungs and skin of everyone that comes into contact with the resulting gas in a wide radius. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, but ammonia chemically burns the eyes, lungs and skin of everyone that comes into contact with the resulting gas in a wide radius. permalink fedilink source parent