▲ 2025 ▼ The most popular Chinese keyboard app which is used by more than 450 million monthly users sends every key typed to Tencent in China. (citizenlab.ca) submitted 3 years ago by Tazmanian@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 459 comments fedilink hide all child comments Vulnerabilities in Sogou Keyboard encryption expose keypresses to network eavesdropping.
[+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -11 points 3 years ago (2 children) Shills gonna shill permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] June@lemm.ee 36 points 3 years ago (2 children) I tend to lean into accepting that ‘the US government has done some pretty horrific shit too’ camp, but I don’t do it as a way to shill for China, because fuck that authoritarian place. But it is dumb not to recognize massacres like Kent State, Tulsa, or the systematic genocides of First Nations peoples. Tiananmen Square really isn’t the best example to use as an example of how China isn’t like the US. There’s plenty of much more insidious dystopian shit happening in China every day to use than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Yeah exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 0 points 3 years ago (4 children) this article isn't about the US. I believe there is a reason so many in so many threads like that do what you're doing and worse. THE TOPIC IS NOT THE US, STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT THAT WAY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Jesus Christ, this thread is cursed. Circling back to the article: it would be easier to name software that doesn't collect your data and send/sell it to your respective government. The point being made in this thread is that it isn't just a China problem. If you think you're safe from government observation just because you don't live in China, I have bad news for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you think you’re safe from government observation just because you don’t live in China I think you know without doubt that this is something NO ONE ever ever ever said. You know this. And yet still -- you want to make this about the united states. Maybe you can explain a way that this got brought up without China shills infecting the thread? Because the article is not about the US. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I didn't mention the US. The article makes it sound like it's UNUSUAL that a phone app is spying on its users and sending user data to the government. It's not an exception, it's the rule. People pointing this out are doing you a favor, because the article's framing would otherwise lead you to believe this is a China problem and not a tech problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hark@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think it's a response to how there are so many CHINA BAD articles. You could take each article as isolated, but there is the idea of manufacturing consent and it's how people develop negative feelings towards particular things after seeing so many negative articles about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, you can post all the bad shit the US has done. China IS A BAD ACTOR on the international, national, regional, and Municipal levels. The whole state apparatus is corrupted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a lot more quick for me to point out that it's not unique to China. The way you phrase the second part of your post is as if China is unique in this sort of corruption. The US is just as corrupt, plus it has a lot more influence around the world thanks to the sheer amount of resources it controls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago China IS bad. Changing the subject isn't the reaction of an unbiased person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] June@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not trying to change the subject from China to the US, I’m trying to point out that the example of Tiananmen Square is not the best example to use as a distinguishing factor for China vs the US when there are numerous examples of the US commuting similar atrocities throughout its history. The current and active oppression and genicide of the Uyghurs. The brutal silencing of political and ideological ‘dissidents’. The openly dystopian social credit system being developed. The suppression of free speech and self-expression. There is a long list of examples to pull from that set China apart from the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago "China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real" https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ "China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring – A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses" https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's called Whataboutism. Very common deflection tactic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 point 3 years ago yep permalink fedilink source parent [–] gmtom@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Do you even know what the word shill means? Like wtf do you think I'm trying to sell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -6 points 3 years ago (2 children) it seems you're selling that idea that China = USA as to minimize bad actions by China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thats not really a thing you sell and I literally start my comment with I mean, ill always say that China is worse than the US So it seems you really just cant cope with the fact that the US is a bad guy as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago ideas are sold every day. maybe there is a reason you want to focus on the US instead? hmm weird no that can't be true at all. permalink fedilink source parent [+] niceboysummer@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] June@lemm.ee 36 points 3 years ago (2 children) I tend to lean into accepting that ‘the US government has done some pretty horrific shit too’ camp, but I don’t do it as a way to shill for China, because fuck that authoritarian place. But it is dumb not to recognize massacres like Kent State, Tulsa, or the systematic genocides of First Nations peoples. Tiananmen Square really isn’t the best example to use as an example of how China isn’t like the US. There’s plenty of much more insidious dystopian shit happening in China every day to use than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago Yeah exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 0 points 3 years ago (4 children) this article isn't about the US. I believe there is a reason so many in so many threads like that do what you're doing and worse. THE TOPIC IS NOT THE US, STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT THAT WAY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Jesus Christ, this thread is cursed. Circling back to the article: it would be easier to name software that doesn't collect your data and send/sell it to your respective government. The point being made in this thread is that it isn't just a China problem. If you think you're safe from government observation just because you don't live in China, I have bad news for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you think you’re safe from government observation just because you don’t live in China I think you know without doubt that this is something NO ONE ever ever ever said. You know this. And yet still -- you want to make this about the united states. Maybe you can explain a way that this got brought up without China shills infecting the thread? Because the article is not about the US. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I didn't mention the US. The article makes it sound like it's UNUSUAL that a phone app is spying on its users and sending user data to the government. It's not an exception, it's the rule. People pointing this out are doing you a favor, because the article's framing would otherwise lead you to believe this is a China problem and not a tech problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hark@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think it's a response to how there are so many CHINA BAD articles. You could take each article as isolated, but there is the idea of manufacturing consent and it's how people develop negative feelings towards particular things after seeing so many negative articles about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, you can post all the bad shit the US has done. China IS A BAD ACTOR on the international, national, regional, and Municipal levels. The whole state apparatus is corrupted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a lot more quick for me to point out that it's not unique to China. The way you phrase the second part of your post is as if China is unique in this sort of corruption. The US is just as corrupt, plus it has a lot more influence around the world thanks to the sheer amount of resources it controls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago China IS bad. Changing the subject isn't the reaction of an unbiased person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] June@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not trying to change the subject from China to the US, I’m trying to point out that the example of Tiananmen Square is not the best example to use as a distinguishing factor for China vs the US when there are numerous examples of the US commuting similar atrocities throughout its history. The current and active oppression and genicide of the Uyghurs. The brutal silencing of political and ideological ‘dissidents’. The openly dystopian social credit system being developed. The suppression of free speech and self-expression. There is a long list of examples to pull from that set China apart from the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago "China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real" https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ "China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring – A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses" https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's called Whataboutism. Very common deflection tactic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 point 3 years ago yep permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 0 points 3 years ago (4 children) this article isn't about the US. I believe there is a reason so many in so many threads like that do what you're doing and worse. THE TOPIC IS NOT THE US, STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT THAT WAY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Jesus Christ, this thread is cursed. Circling back to the article: it would be easier to name software that doesn't collect your data and send/sell it to your respective government. The point being made in this thread is that it isn't just a China problem. If you think you're safe from government observation just because you don't live in China, I have bad news for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you think you’re safe from government observation just because you don’t live in China I think you know without doubt that this is something NO ONE ever ever ever said. You know this. And yet still -- you want to make this about the united states. Maybe you can explain a way that this got brought up without China shills infecting the thread? Because the article is not about the US. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I didn't mention the US. The article makes it sound like it's UNUSUAL that a phone app is spying on its users and sending user data to the government. It's not an exception, it's the rule. People pointing this out are doing you a favor, because the article's framing would otherwise lead you to believe this is a China problem and not a tech problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hark@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think it's a response to how there are so many CHINA BAD articles. You could take each article as isolated, but there is the idea of manufacturing consent and it's how people develop negative feelings towards particular things after seeing so many negative articles about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, you can post all the bad shit the US has done. China IS A BAD ACTOR on the international, national, regional, and Municipal levels. The whole state apparatus is corrupted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a lot more quick for me to point out that it's not unique to China. The way you phrase the second part of your post is as if China is unique in this sort of corruption. The US is just as corrupt, plus it has a lot more influence around the world thanks to the sheer amount of resources it controls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago China IS bad. Changing the subject isn't the reaction of an unbiased person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] June@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not trying to change the subject from China to the US, I’m trying to point out that the example of Tiananmen Square is not the best example to use as a distinguishing factor for China vs the US when there are numerous examples of the US commuting similar atrocities throughout its history. The current and active oppression and genicide of the Uyghurs. The brutal silencing of political and ideological ‘dissidents’. The openly dystopian social credit system being developed. The suppression of free speech and self-expression. There is a long list of examples to pull from that set China apart from the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago "China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real" https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ "China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring – A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses" https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's called Whataboutism. Very common deflection tactic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 point 3 years ago yep permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) Jesus Christ, this thread is cursed. Circling back to the article: it would be easier to name software that doesn't collect your data and send/sell it to your respective government. The point being made in this thread is that it isn't just a China problem. If you think you're safe from government observation just because you don't live in China, I have bad news for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you think you’re safe from government observation just because you don’t live in China I think you know without doubt that this is something NO ONE ever ever ever said. You know this. And yet still -- you want to make this about the united states. Maybe you can explain a way that this got brought up without China shills infecting the thread? Because the article is not about the US. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I didn't mention the US. The article makes it sound like it's UNUSUAL that a phone app is spying on its users and sending user data to the government. It's not an exception, it's the rule. People pointing this out are doing you a favor, because the article's framing would otherwise lead you to believe this is a China problem and not a tech problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you think you’re safe from government observation just because you don’t live in China I think you know without doubt that this is something NO ONE ever ever ever said. You know this. And yet still -- you want to make this about the united states. Maybe you can explain a way that this got brought up without China shills infecting the thread? Because the article is not about the US. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I didn't mention the US. The article makes it sound like it's UNUSUAL that a phone app is spying on its users and sending user data to the government. It's not an exception, it's the rule. People pointing this out are doing you a favor, because the article's framing would otherwise lead you to believe this is a China problem and not a tech problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I didn't mention the US. The article makes it sound like it's UNUSUAL that a phone app is spying on its users and sending user data to the government. It's not an exception, it's the rule. People pointing this out are doing you a favor, because the article's framing would otherwise lead you to believe this is a China problem and not a tech problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) no, people who do this are shilling for China and/or tiktok. we all know this. and yes the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I'm not defending China. the raw keyboard data going directly from your fingers to the government is not something that likely happens in the US, so either way this is a false equivalence. Again, I never mentioned the US. What does it matter if the data is routed to the government server first or second? Blanket data collection is nefarious no matter who is doing it, but it landing in the hands of any government is dangerous. It isn't somehow less dangerous just because it hits a private server first (although it's harder to tell spying is happening, so in that respect it may be worse) E2E encryption should be standard across all tech platforms in every country, full stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah, Snowden probably wouldn't be really into the idea that we shouldn't talk about what China is doing it because "everyone else is too". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Snowden would acknowledge the pervasiveness of the issue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) he's also not a bad-faith actor on an anonymous platform permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm not the one reducing the issue into a China vs US binary my guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) but you are defending those who want that to be the whole discussion. blocking you now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 point 3 years ago Whatever you need to do to take care of your mental health, no skin off my nose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hark@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (2 children) I think it's a response to how there are so many CHINA BAD articles. You could take each article as isolated, but there is the idea of manufacturing consent and it's how people develop negative feelings towards particular things after seeing so many negative articles about them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, you can post all the bad shit the US has done. China IS A BAD ACTOR on the international, national, regional, and Municipal levels. The whole state apparatus is corrupted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a lot more quick for me to point out that it's not unique to China. The way you phrase the second part of your post is as if China is unique in this sort of corruption. The US is just as corrupt, plus it has a lot more influence around the world thanks to the sheer amount of resources it controls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago China IS bad. Changing the subject isn't the reaction of an unbiased person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Well, you can post all the bad shit the US has done. China IS A BAD ACTOR on the international, national, regional, and Municipal levels. The whole state apparatus is corrupted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a lot more quick for me to point out that it's not unique to China. The way you phrase the second part of your post is as if China is unique in this sort of corruption. The US is just as corrupt, plus it has a lot more influence around the world thanks to the sheer amount of resources it controls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hark@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's a lot more quick for me to point out that it's not unique to China. The way you phrase the second part of your post is as if China is unique in this sort of corruption. The US is just as corrupt, plus it has a lot more influence around the world thanks to the sheer amount of resources it controls. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 years ago* And it's completely beside the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago China IS bad. Changing the subject isn't the reaction of an unbiased person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] June@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I’m not trying to change the subject from China to the US, I’m trying to point out that the example of Tiananmen Square is not the best example to use as a distinguishing factor for China vs the US when there are numerous examples of the US commuting similar atrocities throughout its history. The current and active oppression and genicide of the Uyghurs. The brutal silencing of political and ideological ‘dissidents’. The openly dystopian social credit system being developed. The suppression of free speech and self-expression. There is a long list of examples to pull from that set China apart from the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago "China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real" https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ "China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring – A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses" https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago "China’s Orwellian Social Credit Score Isn’t Real" https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/ "China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring – A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses" https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It's called Whataboutism. Very common deflection tactic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 point 3 years ago yep permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Do you even know what the word shill means? Like wtf do you think I'm trying to sell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -6 points 3 years ago (2 children) it seems you're selling that idea that China = USA as to minimize bad actions by China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thats not really a thing you sell and I literally start my comment with I mean, ill always say that China is worse than the US So it seems you really just cant cope with the fact that the US is a bad guy as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago ideas are sold every day. maybe there is a reason you want to focus on the US instead? hmm weird no that can't be true at all. permalink fedilink source parent [+] niceboysummer@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -6 points 3 years ago (2 children) it seems you're selling that idea that China = USA as to minimize bad actions by China. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thats not really a thing you sell and I literally start my comment with I mean, ill always say that China is worse than the US So it seems you really just cant cope with the fact that the US is a bad guy as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago ideas are sold every day. maybe there is a reason you want to focus on the US instead? hmm weird no that can't be true at all. permalink fedilink source parent [+] niceboysummer@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Thats not really a thing you sell and I literally start my comment with I mean, ill always say that China is worse than the US So it seems you really just cant cope with the fact that the US is a bad guy as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago ideas are sold every day. maybe there is a reason you want to focus on the US instead? hmm weird no that can't be true at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org -4 points 3 years ago ideas are sold every day. maybe there is a reason you want to focus on the US instead? hmm weird no that can't be true at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] niceboysummer@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent