▲ 576 ▼ City roads should be ‘ripped out completely’ to fight pollution, says government adviser (www.telegraph.co.uk) submitted 2 years ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 218 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 123 points 2 years ago* (5 children) Car brains are out in force for this thread, lol. Apparently, if you can't transit products by car or truck, directly to the front-door of every business, the city will collapse. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Naich@kbin.social 74 points 2 years ago (17 children) That there are cities that have actually done this doesn't seem to stop them insisting it's impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something I think is sort of ironic is that in my neighborhood most of the last mile delivery happens on bike. This isn't because of a lack of automobile infrastructure but because there are too many automobiles. Nowhere to park or even idle the van for a short time. I do also suspect it's more convenient for the delivery person to hop off a bike at each stop than it would be to park a car and get out etc. If I were a city planner I'd integrate that system into my strategy. Ripping out every road is of course hyperbole and clickbait, but ripping out every other road seems like a no brainer. But I seriously doubt converting 3/4 or more of the roads for autos into pedestrian/bike/tram/greenspace would shake things up too bad. Just make sure to keep main arteries open for automobiles and ensure there's centralized parking garages (street parking is a blight) within a decent walking distance and I think people who need to have a car in the city will get used to it fast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey so I come from a european city from 778, with most of the streets having been the same for over 500 years now. Heineken truck drivers manage to supply bars and restaurants throughout the city with little to no problems and most of that is pedestrian zoning with exceptions for deliveries and it works quite well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago This is an excellent point too - removing streets for general use doesn't necessarily also exclude commercial delivery use and so forth permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies) [–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here. On Reddit it was just people trying to out meme each other permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here. Lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago These people also forget that "delivery trucks allowed" is common. Cutting out 95% of cars and leaving delivery vehicles is fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I worry more about emergency services access... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Emergency services have a lot of problems delivering care in current city traffic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but if they don't have any roads to travel on what then? But I've seen another comment mentioning the distinction between roads and streets so I guess that might explain why I can't imagine how that would be realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago In the Netherlands they use bike lanes. A two way bike lane is wide enough for emergency vehicles like an ambulance, and bikers get out of the way. permalink fedilink source parent [+] mob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chocoladisco@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago They even exist with a camera and AI to automatically detect emergency vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent [+] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) What is your proposed alternative solution for logistics in any moderately dense urban area? Like never mind New York, you couldn't make this work in Little Rock. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago (17 children) Why don't you read the article? It's all spelled out right there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments load more comments (17 replies) [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (6 children) Currently, no. But with mixed zoning, it would become more amenable to change over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Naich@kbin.social 74 points 2 years ago (17 children) That there are cities that have actually done this doesn't seem to stop them insisting it's impossible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something I think is sort of ironic is that in my neighborhood most of the last mile delivery happens on bike. This isn't because of a lack of automobile infrastructure but because there are too many automobiles. Nowhere to park or even idle the van for a short time. I do also suspect it's more convenient for the delivery person to hop off a bike at each stop than it would be to park a car and get out etc. If I were a city planner I'd integrate that system into my strategy. Ripping out every road is of course hyperbole and clickbait, but ripping out every other road seems like a no brainer. But I seriously doubt converting 3/4 or more of the roads for autos into pedestrian/bike/tram/greenspace would shake things up too bad. Just make sure to keep main arteries open for automobiles and ensure there's centralized parking garages (street parking is a blight) within a decent walking distance and I think people who need to have a car in the city will get used to it fast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey so I come from a european city from 778, with most of the streets having been the same for over 500 years now. Heineken truck drivers manage to supply bars and restaurants throughout the city with little to no problems and most of that is pedestrian zoning with exceptions for deliveries and it works quite well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago This is an excellent point too - removing streets for general use doesn't necessarily also exclude commercial delivery use and so forth permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies)
[–] makyo@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something I think is sort of ironic is that in my neighborhood most of the last mile delivery happens on bike. This isn't because of a lack of automobile infrastructure but because there are too many automobiles. Nowhere to park or even idle the van for a short time. I do also suspect it's more convenient for the delivery person to hop off a bike at each stop than it would be to park a car and get out etc. If I were a city planner I'd integrate that system into my strategy. Ripping out every road is of course hyperbole and clickbait, but ripping out every other road seems like a no brainer. But I seriously doubt converting 3/4 or more of the roads for autos into pedestrian/bike/tram/greenspace would shake things up too bad. Just make sure to keep main arteries open for automobiles and ensure there's centralized parking garages (street parking is a blight) within a decent walking distance and I think people who need to have a car in the city will get used to it fast. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey so I come from a european city from 778, with most of the streets having been the same for over 500 years now. Heineken truck drivers manage to supply bars and restaurants throughout the city with little to no problems and most of that is pedestrian zoning with exceptions for deliveries and it works quite well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago This is an excellent point too - removing streets for general use doesn't necessarily also exclude commercial delivery use and so forth permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey so I come from a european city from 778, with most of the streets having been the same for over 500 years now. Heineken truck drivers manage to supply bars and restaurants throughout the city with little to no problems and most of that is pedestrian zoning with exceptions for deliveries and it works quite well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago This is an excellent point too - removing streets for general use doesn't necessarily also exclude commercial delivery use and so forth permalink fedilink source parent
[–] makyo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago This is an excellent point too - removing streets for general use doesn't necessarily also exclude commercial delivery use and so forth permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here. On Reddit it was just people trying to out meme each other permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here. Lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago Fuck_cars on Lemmy is great, I feel like I'm really fighting for the future every time I come here. Lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago These people also forget that "delivery trucks allowed" is common. Cutting out 95% of cars and leaving delivery vehicles is fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I worry more about emergency services access... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Emergency services have a lot of problems delivering care in current city traffic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but if they don't have any roads to travel on what then? But I've seen another comment mentioning the distinction between roads and streets so I guess that might explain why I can't imagine how that would be realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago In the Netherlands they use bike lanes. A two way bike lane is wide enough for emergency vehicles like an ambulance, and bikers get out of the way. permalink fedilink source parent [+] mob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chocoladisco@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago They even exist with a camera and AI to automatically detect emergency vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Emergency services have a lot of problems delivering care in current city traffic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but if they don't have any roads to travel on what then? But I've seen another comment mentioning the distinction between roads and streets so I guess that might explain why I can't imagine how that would be realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago In the Netherlands they use bike lanes. A two way bike lane is wide enough for emergency vehicles like an ambulance, and bikers get out of the way. permalink fedilink source parent [+] mob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chocoladisco@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago They even exist with a camera and AI to automatically detect emergency vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure, but if they don't have any roads to travel on what then? But I've seen another comment mentioning the distinction between roads and streets so I guess that might explain why I can't imagine how that would be realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago In the Netherlands they use bike lanes. A two way bike lane is wide enough for emergency vehicles like an ambulance, and bikers get out of the way. permalink fedilink source parent [+] mob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chocoladisco@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago They even exist with a camera and AI to automatically detect emergency vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago In the Netherlands they use bike lanes. A two way bike lane is wide enough for emergency vehicles like an ambulance, and bikers get out of the way. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chocoladisco@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago They even exist with a camera and AI to automatically detect emergency vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chocoladisco@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago They even exist with a camera and AI to automatically detect emergency vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) What is your proposed alternative solution for logistics in any moderately dense urban area? Like never mind New York, you couldn't make this work in Little Rock. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago (17 children) Why don't you read the article? It's all spelled out right there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments load more comments (17 replies) [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (6 children) Currently, no. But with mixed zoning, it would become more amenable to change over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago (17 children) Why don't you read the article? It's all spelled out right there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments load more comments (17 replies)
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (6 children) Currently, no. But with mixed zoning, it would become more amenable to change over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments load more comments (6 replies)