▲ 519 ▼ 'An economic divide that is widening': Almost one third of Americans earning $150,000 a year or more say they're living paycheck to paycheck and many rely on credit cards to close the gap (finance.yahoo.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 264 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm pretty sure I covered the questionable decisions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Yeah, if you're a single man who doesn't have anyone to take care of and has no physical or mental health problems $150k is great. If you're part of a house with two incomes you're probably OK. If you're on a single incoming supporting parents with disabilities, kids, partners with disabilities, or any combination of similar things, you can maybe get by on $150k as long as you never fuck up and everything goes perfectly in your life and you don't care about or try to help anyone else. Edit: and I say man, because men are less likely to take on caregiver roles that cost large amounts of money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) My wife is disabled FYI. I get what you are saying, but there is still a good amount of wiggle room in our budget. I also still don't really like the idea of lumping kids, which are a choice with a very clear financial impact, in the same category as dealing with illness and disability. That doesn't seem to be a good faith argument. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A society where having kids is an unsustainable financial decision is a society that can't continue to exist, and a society where caregiving for someone with a disability or having one yourself makes life impossible is also a society that can't continue to exist. There are also a ton of other factors that can easily push someone over the edge. "We have lots of wiggle room" is great for you but lots of people don't... And even if someone did make a mistake, why should some small mistake put someone in inescapable debt? I just think the idea that $150k is fine and everyone who can't make it is an idiot isn't taking in to account the obvious data that shows the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago It does always strike me as ridiculous when we live in a world where continuing the existence of the human race is considered bad financial planning. No wonder birth rates are declining massively when the incentives are all on personal productivity and streamlining your life rather than having/raising a family. I don't plan to have children for a number of reasons, but the fact that society is filled with active disincentives certainly doesn't help persuade me otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kids are not always a choice, especially now that abortion is illegal in so many places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago In addition, the idea that if you don't have enough money then you just don't get to have a family seems abhorrent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, if you’re a single man who doesn’t have anyone to take care of and has no physical or mental health problems $150k is great. If you’re part of a house with two incomes you’re probably OK Why would it matter how many people it takes to make the 150k? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If you're making $150k and someone else is making another amount of money... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then your family isn't making 150k and you're not part of this discussion. Also if you're making more than 150k and can't pay your bills, I have 0 sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It must feel good to feel superior to all these people who are struggling. I bet that makes you feel really smart and capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Yeah, if you're a single man who doesn't have anyone to take care of and has no physical or mental health problems $150k is great. If you're part of a house with two incomes you're probably OK. If you're on a single incoming supporting parents with disabilities, kids, partners with disabilities, or any combination of similar things, you can maybe get by on $150k as long as you never fuck up and everything goes perfectly in your life and you don't care about or try to help anyone else. Edit: and I say man, because men are less likely to take on caregiver roles that cost large amounts of money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) My wife is disabled FYI. I get what you are saying, but there is still a good amount of wiggle room in our budget. I also still don't really like the idea of lumping kids, which are a choice with a very clear financial impact, in the same category as dealing with illness and disability. That doesn't seem to be a good faith argument. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A society where having kids is an unsustainable financial decision is a society that can't continue to exist, and a society where caregiving for someone with a disability or having one yourself makes life impossible is also a society that can't continue to exist. There are also a ton of other factors that can easily push someone over the edge. "We have lots of wiggle room" is great for you but lots of people don't... And even if someone did make a mistake, why should some small mistake put someone in inescapable debt? I just think the idea that $150k is fine and everyone who can't make it is an idiot isn't taking in to account the obvious data that shows the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago It does always strike me as ridiculous when we live in a world where continuing the existence of the human race is considered bad financial planning. No wonder birth rates are declining massively when the incentives are all on personal productivity and streamlining your life rather than having/raising a family. I don't plan to have children for a number of reasons, but the fact that society is filled with active disincentives certainly doesn't help persuade me otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kids are not always a choice, especially now that abortion is illegal in so many places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago In addition, the idea that if you don't have enough money then you just don't get to have a family seems abhorrent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, if you’re a single man who doesn’t have anyone to take care of and has no physical or mental health problems $150k is great. If you’re part of a house with two incomes you’re probably OK Why would it matter how many people it takes to make the 150k? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If you're making $150k and someone else is making another amount of money... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then your family isn't making 150k and you're not part of this discussion. Also if you're making more than 150k and can't pay your bills, I have 0 sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It must feel good to feel superior to all these people who are struggling. I bet that makes you feel really smart and capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) My wife is disabled FYI. I get what you are saying, but there is still a good amount of wiggle room in our budget. I also still don't really like the idea of lumping kids, which are a choice with a very clear financial impact, in the same category as dealing with illness and disability. That doesn't seem to be a good faith argument. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A society where having kids is an unsustainable financial decision is a society that can't continue to exist, and a society where caregiving for someone with a disability or having one yourself makes life impossible is also a society that can't continue to exist. There are also a ton of other factors that can easily push someone over the edge. "We have lots of wiggle room" is great for you but lots of people don't... And even if someone did make a mistake, why should some small mistake put someone in inescapable debt? I just think the idea that $150k is fine and everyone who can't make it is an idiot isn't taking in to account the obvious data that shows the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago It does always strike me as ridiculous when we live in a world where continuing the existence of the human race is considered bad financial planning. No wonder birth rates are declining massively when the incentives are all on personal productivity and streamlining your life rather than having/raising a family. I don't plan to have children for a number of reasons, but the fact that society is filled with active disincentives certainly doesn't help persuade me otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kids are not always a choice, especially now that abortion is illegal in so many places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago In addition, the idea that if you don't have enough money then you just don't get to have a family seems abhorrent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) A society where having kids is an unsustainable financial decision is a society that can't continue to exist, and a society where caregiving for someone with a disability or having one yourself makes life impossible is also a society that can't continue to exist. There are also a ton of other factors that can easily push someone over the edge. "We have lots of wiggle room" is great for you but lots of people don't... And even if someone did make a mistake, why should some small mistake put someone in inescapable debt? I just think the idea that $150k is fine and everyone who can't make it is an idiot isn't taking in to account the obvious data that shows the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago It does always strike me as ridiculous when we live in a world where continuing the existence of the human race is considered bad financial planning. No wonder birth rates are declining massively when the incentives are all on personal productivity and streamlining your life rather than having/raising a family. I don't plan to have children for a number of reasons, but the fact that society is filled with active disincentives certainly doesn't help persuade me otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago It does always strike me as ridiculous when we live in a world where continuing the existence of the human race is considered bad financial planning. No wonder birth rates are declining massively when the incentives are all on personal productivity and streamlining your life rather than having/raising a family. I don't plan to have children for a number of reasons, but the fact that society is filled with active disincentives certainly doesn't help persuade me otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kids are not always a choice, especially now that abortion is illegal in so many places. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago In addition, the idea that if you don't have enough money then you just don't get to have a family seems abhorrent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 13 points 2 years ago In addition, the idea that if you don't have enough money then you just don't get to have a family seems abhorrent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, if you’re a single man who doesn’t have anyone to take care of and has no physical or mental health problems $150k is great. If you’re part of a house with two incomes you’re probably OK Why would it matter how many people it takes to make the 150k? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If you're making $150k and someone else is making another amount of money... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then your family isn't making 150k and you're not part of this discussion. Also if you're making more than 150k and can't pay your bills, I have 0 sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It must feel good to feel superior to all these people who are struggling. I bet that makes you feel really smart and capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If you're making $150k and someone else is making another amount of money... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then your family isn't making 150k and you're not part of this discussion. Also if you're making more than 150k and can't pay your bills, I have 0 sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It must feel good to feel superior to all these people who are struggling. I bet that makes you feel really smart and capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then your family isn't making 150k and you're not part of this discussion. Also if you're making more than 150k and can't pay your bills, I have 0 sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It must feel good to feel superior to all these people who are struggling. I bet that makes you feel really smart and capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It must feel good to feel superior to all these people who are struggling. I bet that makes you feel really smart and capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago You wanna stop lashing out and make an actual point? permalink fedilink source parent