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Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 27 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Give me an EV without a massive center console that blinds me at night. Remove all the "smart" features like lane assist. Give me a fucking dumb EV

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This drives me crazy. Take a solid platform like the FRS.. electrify it for something equiv to 300/300 and give it a 200 mile range. No fancy interior, lots of plastic, no lane assist etc. It would be fun and affordable. Same platform could be used for a more refined crossover.

    I feel like Honda really should have done some type r civic thing but with electric.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I fucking love my frs. I can't stand seeing the interiors on even just fancy ICE cars now, much less electrics. My wife's traverse has a horrifically unintuitive touchscreen interface for the radio and rear A/C. My car is like the last of a dying breed. Have almost 150k miles now. It's a dream.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    That's cool.. 150k? Nice. I regret not getting one when i had the chance but I felt like it should had at least a small turbo. And i wasn't overly confident with the aftermarket stuff. That said the gt86 platform is quite a base to build on.

    But yeah, i hate the trend of a big touchscreen to do everything. Sometimes i wonder if it's just getting old but I really feel like the UIs are awful.

    Display is ok for GPS and maybe some audio but I certainly prefer standard tactile interface methods. You are right, dying breed. Enjoy your ride!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    The smart features aren't really that much extra. You are basically just paying for a couple extra cameras. The software part is scaled across all models.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Yeah on a Tesla, other reputable manufacturers use radar and lidar as well as cameras and even microphones. Plus the software, a high end GPU. That right there is a 10k package at minimum. Also the labor of routing wires for all the equipment

    Seriously where do you get your information?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have dark mode and auto dimming on my huge center console monitor. It's a non issue. The only thing it really shows is my car on a map and what is playing on Spotify. I never look at it or am distracted by it when driving.

    I do feel like there is room for a nice super simple EV with minimal/no screens and only the features required by law. It would need quite a few buttons for windows, heated seats, heated steering wheel, defrost, climate control etc but it would be quite a calm experience I think not having a huge monitor there.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe to you, personally I'd rather have knobs and buttons on my console. Way less detracting and easier to operate without taking my eyes off the road. If I need a map, I have a GPS in my pocket where I can easily adjust the brightness or turn off the screen and follow the spoken directions. I have a 2016 Veloster and that has the biggest screen that should be in a car, also isn't there to operate the cats functions. Also have a 2021 Tuscon and the infotainment system is a fucking abomination and is just horrible to operate and drive at night with

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well, I don't think they are making cars like that anymore sadly. Would be cool with an EV that aged well because of no screens.

    I looked up the interior for the Tuscon and yeah it's clear that they don't really know how to handle implementing a large monitor in a car. It has bad design, bad placement and bad software. Try test driving a Tesla sometime. You might like it. I come from a Kia Sportage 2012 Diesel so I had quite the adjustment to make but I am happier for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Try test driving a Tesla sometime.

    Fuck that I'm not driving a death trap

    I'd rather buy a cheap ebike from wish

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Based on the fact that Tesla receives top rating in all collision tests in all countries ( as far as I know ) https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model-3/37573

    I believe your risk assessment ability may be lacking. Tough the Wish ebike might be safer as it likely will not run.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    You're right. As a Tesla owner there's every reason to want the power, range, and maybe a couple of the features but with tangible controls etc

    The Kia/Hyundai offerings are probably your closest bet.

    I almost never use the assists. I don't mind the idea that if the computer sees a looming impact it will brake for me though.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My wife really likes the lane assist feature on her car. She says it helps her be less distracted when she drives.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I live out in the country where none of these features work for more than 2 min. Most cities around me are the same. Its a near useless feature that only cost (WAY) more for me

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Our subdivision is basically in the country and she finds it helpful. I don't know, my car doesn't have it. I'd probably turn it off if it did. That's an option in her car.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I live on an unpaved road and am surrounded by farmers fields. Also we get snow and lots of it, so for 4 months its more dangerous to even think about using it.

    We need people to pay more attention to the road not less. Tesla drivers (in my area) are the fucking worst drivers. Seen better BMW drivers

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    They have night settings just like the infotainment centers in ICE vehicles. They also have dimming functions if you have such sensitive eyes you can’t stand even a small amount of light coming from the console. This is not a real problem. This is you bitching about stuff you don’t want.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    What if I want to change the interior temp? Am I supposed to pull over stare at this giant monstrosity if a screen? Right now I can simply turn a dial.

    This has to be the worst defense of a sub standard idea that is a computer screen for a center console

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    No. You hit the button on the screen that changes the temp or you roll the right roller/button on the steering wheel.

    The big lcd screen isn’t a mystery… it works like your phone… only a lot bigger so you don’t have to stare at it to know where to press. You can just glance and then look back at the road… like if it were an analog button.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah but I don't use my phone while driving and neither should you, and that fucking monstrosity is no different than a phone. You CAN'T use it without taking your eyes off the road which is super fucking dangerous hence the reason for pulling over to use the POS as you should. Dont say autopilot makes it safe because that system doesn't work well as it can only use cameras and their machine learning model isn't that good and should NOT be relied on to make it safe to use a giant cellphone for a center console.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s pedantic. I wasn’t suggesting you use your phone while driving, I was describing the way you touch a screen. It is literally the exact same amount of distraction as pushing a button.

    If you can’t handle touching a “fake button” without losing attention from the road, you probably shouldn’t be open operating heavy equipment at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Except there is no physical feedback, you NEED to look at that screen, I can manage 90% of my dash by feel and 90% of the controls I use are on my steering wheel.

    Also everyone on the road isn't you, I was nearly in an accident as a passenger because my driver was looking at the screen because there was no physical buttons.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The physical feedback is your finger touching the screen. If it’s a skill you can’t learn, you should stick to old cars with outdated technology. Everyone isn’t capable of keeping up with technology. It’s fine.

    Sounds like whoever drives you around is as incompetent as you are at managing their driving with new technology. You should find people with more coordination to drive you around.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Close.your eyes and operate your fucking center console. Can you? No because you are touching a flat piece of glass ya tard. Feedback is some tactile response not you feeling the glass. Does the screen vibrate when you touch it? Learn what feedback is bud.

    You (and the designers) are fucking WRONG. Physical buttons you can distinguish from one another. You putting down people to make yourself feel superior is your way of justifying buying a total piece of shit.

    And once again, cars are built for the masses, if it is unsafe for them then it is a terrible design and should go back to the known good way.

    Go and put square tires since its such a good idea. Infinite, Stopping power!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    Why would I close my eyes? I’m driving?

    Most of the controls I need to operate while I’m driving are on the edge of the screen and you can feel the edge to know where to touch.

    But I don’t have a problem glancing at the screen for a half second to know for sure where the control is. Just like you glance at your rear view or side view mirrors and take your eyes off the road for a fraction of a second.

    If you can’t use a use a touch screen, do you not check your mirrors? It’s not that complicated.

    This is a you problem that is either incompetence or you trying to find something to bitch about because you don’t like new shit. Go shake your fist at the sky and tell the kids to get off your lawn.

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