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[–] malaph@infosec.pub -2 points 3 years ago (3 children) You can agree with some principles of a work and reject others. What parts of her philosophy do you find to be lunacy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What parts of her philosophy do you find to be lunacy? “A man's sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions.... He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience a sense of self-esteem. The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer--because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement.” Almost forgot: “In this world, either you're virtuous or you enjoy yourself. Not both, lady, not both.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago Yeah.. I'm not a fan of that either personally. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) The premise that some people are just better than everyone else is not intelligent. Valuing a person's worth as a human by measuring their productivity is genocidal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 years ago Valuing a person’s worth as a human by measuring their productivity is genocidal. Of course you don't value people based on their productivity! That's downright anti-American "from each according to his ability" commie talk! You value people based on their net worth! One Dollar, One Vote, that's what I always say. /s, permalink fedilink source parent [–] malaph@infosec.pub -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Some people are just better in terms of being productive. I don't see how that's debatable. The question is just if you let those people keep they're outsized earnings or you forcibly redistribute them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago Their* permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I'm going to respond so hopefully you grow. Productivity is difficult to measure or define. Intelligence is similar. Regardless, neither of these things define value in a human life. Some people love to cook, some are great at reading comic books. One might be really good at watching TV. In the end, your preference for what is seen as valuable comes to your preference. There's nothing objective about it. More concretely, in many engineering jobs great engineers are promoted into management positions for which they are ill suited. They make more money, are they not definitionally more productive? Yet the company and team is worse off. As for your question, Rand is not subtle about her thoughts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Odd to me that you equate productivity with the value of a person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I do not. Rand explicitly does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chakan2@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Her stances on Race, Rape, Economics, Gender, and her Writing style...all lunacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 0 points 3 years ago I like her stance on economics and free markets .. Also the prime mover concept is somewhat accurate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) What parts of her philosophy do you find to be lunacy? “A man's sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions.... He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience a sense of self-esteem. The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer--because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement.” Almost forgot: “In this world, either you're virtuous or you enjoy yourself. Not both, lady, not both.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago Yeah.. I'm not a fan of that either personally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] malaph@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago Yeah.. I'm not a fan of that either personally. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) The premise that some people are just better than everyone else is not intelligent. Valuing a person's worth as a human by measuring their productivity is genocidal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 years ago Valuing a person’s worth as a human by measuring their productivity is genocidal. Of course you don't value people based on their productivity! That's downright anti-American "from each according to his ability" commie talk! You value people based on their net worth! One Dollar, One Vote, that's what I always say. /s, permalink fedilink source parent [–] malaph@infosec.pub -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Some people are just better in terms of being productive. I don't see how that's debatable. The question is just if you let those people keep they're outsized earnings or you forcibly redistribute them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago Their* permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I'm going to respond so hopefully you grow. Productivity is difficult to measure or define. Intelligence is similar. Regardless, neither of these things define value in a human life. Some people love to cook, some are great at reading comic books. One might be really good at watching TV. In the end, your preference for what is seen as valuable comes to your preference. There's nothing objective about it. More concretely, in many engineering jobs great engineers are promoted into management positions for which they are ill suited. They make more money, are they not definitionally more productive? Yet the company and team is worse off. As for your question, Rand is not subtle about her thoughts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Odd to me that you equate productivity with the value of a person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I do not. Rand explicitly does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 years ago Valuing a person’s worth as a human by measuring their productivity is genocidal. Of course you don't value people based on their productivity! That's downright anti-American "from each according to his ability" commie talk! You value people based on their net worth! One Dollar, One Vote, that's what I always say. /s, permalink fedilink source parent
[–] malaph@infosec.pub -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Some people are just better in terms of being productive. I don't see how that's debatable. The question is just if you let those people keep they're outsized earnings or you forcibly redistribute them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 2 points 3 years ago Their* permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I'm going to respond so hopefully you grow. Productivity is difficult to measure or define. Intelligence is similar. Regardless, neither of these things define value in a human life. Some people love to cook, some are great at reading comic books. One might be really good at watching TV. In the end, your preference for what is seen as valuable comes to your preference. There's nothing objective about it. More concretely, in many engineering jobs great engineers are promoted into management positions for which they are ill suited. They make more money, are they not definitionally more productive? Yet the company and team is worse off. As for your question, Rand is not subtle about her thoughts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Odd to me that you equate productivity with the value of a person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I do not. Rand explicitly does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) I'm going to respond so hopefully you grow. Productivity is difficult to measure or define. Intelligence is similar. Regardless, neither of these things define value in a human life. Some people love to cook, some are great at reading comic books. One might be really good at watching TV. In the end, your preference for what is seen as valuable comes to your preference. There's nothing objective about it. More concretely, in many engineering jobs great engineers are promoted into management positions for which they are ill suited. They make more money, are they not definitionally more productive? Yet the company and team is worse off. As for your question, Rand is not subtle about her thoughts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Odd to me that you equate productivity with the value of a person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I do not. Rand explicitly does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] malaph@infosec.pub 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Odd to me that you equate productivity with the value of a person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I do not. Rand explicitly does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I do not. Rand explicitly does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Her stances on Race, Rape, Economics, Gender, and her Writing style...all lunacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] malaph@infosec.pub 0 points 3 years ago I like her stance on economics and free markets .. Also the prime mover concept is somewhat accurate permalink fedilink source parent
[–] malaph@infosec.pub 0 points 3 years ago I like her stance on economics and free markets .. Also the prime mover concept is somewhat accurate permalink fedilink source parent