▲ 677 ▼ Florida governor removes elected opposition official, replaces with political ally (www.rawstory.com) submitted 3 years ago by GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee to c/politics@lemmy.world 82 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] millifoo@lemmy.ca 113 points 3 years ago (6 children) How the frick is this legal? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 117 points 3 years ago (1 child) When fascists take power, everything they do is legal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) But we still have courts in this country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a state matter ruled on by state judges. Who do you think appointed the state judges? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _Tom_@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Surely some federal labor law could cover it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Labor law? As far as the feds are concerned, you can be fired for your political opinions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftenddev@slrpnk.net 31 points 3 years ago Lol the courts that the fascists have been filling with other fascists to say that fascism is legal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nougat@kbin.social 18 points 3 years ago When they've been stacked with Federalist Society judges, are they courts, or are they "courts"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago The poor people are still mostly have to abide by the court system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 81 points 3 years ago (3 children) From a CNN article: The Florida constitution allows a governor to remove an elected official for “malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, habitual drunkenness, incompetence, or permanent inability to perform official duties.” No previous Florida executive has interpreted that power as broadly as DeSantis. The state Senate can reinstate Worrell, but the chamber is controlled by Republicans closely aligned with DeSantis and have rarely stood in his way. Warren’s attempts at reinstatement have failed. A federal judge ruled DeSantis had acted unconstitutionally in suspending Warren, writing that there was “not a hint of misconduct by Mr. Warren” in the trial record, but he ultimately dismissed the case saying he did not have the power to intervene on a state matter. The state Supreme Court tossed Warren’s lawsuit in state court earlier this summer. Monique Worrell was the attorney recently dismissed and Andrew Warren is the one who was dismissed last year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kiku123@feddit.de 30 points 3 years ago (2 children) Things like this always make me wonder if a state could legally turn into a dictatorship. Could Florida legally change it's constitution to say "All governing power rests entirely in Ron DeSantis" and dissolve it's representative bodies? Obviously it would still be beholden to voters for national elections (representatives and senators), but statewide there could be nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Technically, no. The Constitution says "the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government," but "republican" has historically been very loosely interpreted. Technically, China and North Korea are both republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child) They're not technically republics, they're nominally republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago Well part of the problem is that there isn't total agreement on what a republic is. By some definitions it's basically anything that isn't a monarchy. Some medieval republics didn't have elections and instead chose their officials by sortition, which is essentially a lottery. China and North Korea do have elections, but they're total shams (and North Korea is basically a monarchy is a thin coat of republican paint, since by law they can't have any leader that isn't descended from Kim Il Sung). permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago According to Putin, from the Russian republic, there's no need to hold elections if you know what the likely result will be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ANALHACKER_3000@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Possibly. The problem is that the founders decided to bake in armed revolt as a safe guard instead if, you know, reasonable solutions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bipta@kbin.social 22 points 3 years ago The state Supreme Court tossed Warren’s lawsuit in state court earlier this summer. Why the fuck? You know, besides the fascism... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cubes@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago Thank you for providing an actual answer! permalink fedilink source parent [–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago More importantly, who is going to stop them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] chakan2@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago It's not...but unless someone actually stands up to him, it's just another crime our politicians get away with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee [S] 4 points 3 years ago Rubber-stamp legislature that will refuse to hear any complaints. permalink fedilink source parent [–] instamat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago He will make it legal. (prequel reference, had to do it!) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 117 points 3 years ago (1 child) When fascists take power, everything they do is legal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) But we still have courts in this country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a state matter ruled on by state judges. Who do you think appointed the state judges? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _Tom_@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Surely some federal labor law could cover it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Labor law? As far as the feds are concerned, you can be fired for your political opinions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftenddev@slrpnk.net 31 points 3 years ago Lol the courts that the fascists have been filling with other fascists to say that fascism is legal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nougat@kbin.social 18 points 3 years ago When they've been stacked with Federalist Society judges, are they courts, or are they "courts"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago The poor people are still mostly have to abide by the court system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MxM111@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (4 children) But we still have courts in this country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a state matter ruled on by state judges. Who do you think appointed the state judges? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _Tom_@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Surely some federal labor law could cover it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Labor law? As far as the feds are concerned, you can be fired for your political opinions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftenddev@slrpnk.net 31 points 3 years ago Lol the courts that the fascists have been filling with other fascists to say that fascism is legal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nougat@kbin.social 18 points 3 years ago When they've been stacked with Federalist Society judges, are they courts, or are they "courts"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago The poor people are still mostly have to abide by the court system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 68 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but it's a state matter ruled on by state judges. Who do you think appointed the state judges? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _Tom_@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Surely some federal labor law could cover it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Labor law? As far as the feds are concerned, you can be fired for your political opinions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _Tom_@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) Surely some federal labor law could cover it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Labor law? As far as the feds are concerned, you can be fired for your political opinions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* Labor law? As far as the feds are concerned, you can be fired for your political opinions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftenddev@slrpnk.net 31 points 3 years ago Lol the courts that the fascists have been filling with other fascists to say that fascism is legal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 18 points 3 years ago When they've been stacked with Federalist Society judges, are they courts, or are they "courts"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago The poor people are still mostly have to abide by the court system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 81 points 3 years ago (3 children) From a CNN article: The Florida constitution allows a governor to remove an elected official for “malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, habitual drunkenness, incompetence, or permanent inability to perform official duties.” No previous Florida executive has interpreted that power as broadly as DeSantis. The state Senate can reinstate Worrell, but the chamber is controlled by Republicans closely aligned with DeSantis and have rarely stood in his way. Warren’s attempts at reinstatement have failed. A federal judge ruled DeSantis had acted unconstitutionally in suspending Warren, writing that there was “not a hint of misconduct by Mr. Warren” in the trial record, but he ultimately dismissed the case saying he did not have the power to intervene on a state matter. The state Supreme Court tossed Warren’s lawsuit in state court earlier this summer. Monique Worrell was the attorney recently dismissed and Andrew Warren is the one who was dismissed last year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kiku123@feddit.de 30 points 3 years ago (2 children) Things like this always make me wonder if a state could legally turn into a dictatorship. Could Florida legally change it's constitution to say "All governing power rests entirely in Ron DeSantis" and dissolve it's representative bodies? Obviously it would still be beholden to voters for national elections (representatives and senators), but statewide there could be nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Technically, no. The Constitution says "the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government," but "republican" has historically been very loosely interpreted. Technically, China and North Korea are both republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child) They're not technically republics, they're nominally republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago Well part of the problem is that there isn't total agreement on what a republic is. By some definitions it's basically anything that isn't a monarchy. Some medieval republics didn't have elections and instead chose their officials by sortition, which is essentially a lottery. China and North Korea do have elections, but they're total shams (and North Korea is basically a monarchy is a thin coat of republican paint, since by law they can't have any leader that isn't descended from Kim Il Sung). permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago According to Putin, from the Russian republic, there's no need to hold elections if you know what the likely result will be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ANALHACKER_3000@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Possibly. The problem is that the founders decided to bake in armed revolt as a safe guard instead if, you know, reasonable solutions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bipta@kbin.social 22 points 3 years ago The state Supreme Court tossed Warren’s lawsuit in state court earlier this summer. Why the fuck? You know, besides the fascism... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cubes@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago Thank you for providing an actual answer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kiku123@feddit.de 30 points 3 years ago (2 children) Things like this always make me wonder if a state could legally turn into a dictatorship. Could Florida legally change it's constitution to say "All governing power rests entirely in Ron DeSantis" and dissolve it's representative bodies? Obviously it would still be beholden to voters for national elections (representatives and senators), but statewide there could be nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Technically, no. The Constitution says "the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government," but "republican" has historically been very loosely interpreted. Technically, China and North Korea are both republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child) They're not technically republics, they're nominally republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago Well part of the problem is that there isn't total agreement on what a republic is. By some definitions it's basically anything that isn't a monarchy. Some medieval republics didn't have elections and instead chose their officials by sortition, which is essentially a lottery. China and North Korea do have elections, but they're total shams (and North Korea is basically a monarchy is a thin coat of republican paint, since by law they can't have any leader that isn't descended from Kim Il Sung). permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago According to Putin, from the Russian republic, there's no need to hold elections if you know what the likely result will be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ANALHACKER_3000@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Possibly. The problem is that the founders decided to bake in armed revolt as a safe guard instead if, you know, reasonable solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Technically, no. The Constitution says "the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government," but "republican" has historically been very loosely interpreted. Technically, China and North Korea are both republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child) They're not technically republics, they're nominally republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago Well part of the problem is that there isn't total agreement on what a republic is. By some definitions it's basically anything that isn't a monarchy. Some medieval republics didn't have elections and instead chose their officials by sortition, which is essentially a lottery. China and North Korea do have elections, but they're total shams (and North Korea is basically a monarchy is a thin coat of republican paint, since by law they can't have any leader that isn't descended from Kim Il Sung). permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago According to Putin, from the Russian republic, there's no need to hold elections if you know what the likely result will be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child) They're not technically republics, they're nominally republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago Well part of the problem is that there isn't total agreement on what a republic is. By some definitions it's basically anything that isn't a monarchy. Some medieval republics didn't have elections and instead chose their officials by sortition, which is essentially a lottery. China and North Korea do have elections, but they're total shams (and North Korea is basically a monarchy is a thin coat of republican paint, since by law they can't have any leader that isn't descended from Kim Il Sung). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HighElfMage@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago Well part of the problem is that there isn't total agreement on what a republic is. By some definitions it's basically anything that isn't a monarchy. Some medieval republics didn't have elections and instead chose their officials by sortition, which is essentially a lottery. China and North Korea do have elections, but they're total shams (and North Korea is basically a monarchy is a thin coat of republican paint, since by law they can't have any leader that isn't descended from Kim Il Sung). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago According to Putin, from the Russian republic, there's no need to hold elections if you know what the likely result will be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ANALHACKER_3000@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago Possibly. The problem is that the founders decided to bake in armed revolt as a safe guard instead if, you know, reasonable solutions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bipta@kbin.social 22 points 3 years ago The state Supreme Court tossed Warren’s lawsuit in state court earlier this summer. Why the fuck? You know, besides the fascism... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cubes@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago Thank you for providing an actual answer! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago More importantly, who is going to stop them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago It's not...but unless someone actually stands up to him, it's just another crime our politicians get away with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee [S] 4 points 3 years ago Rubber-stamp legislature that will refuse to hear any complaints. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] instamat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago He will make it legal. (prequel reference, had to do it!) permalink fedilink source parent