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Google's Web DRM is Worse than I Thought... (www.youtube.com)
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This video as a text article: https://blog.nicco.love/google-drms-the-web/

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[–] 110 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

It's basically all the bad things that tech writers have already warned about, except shit just got real. Google is actually shipping WEI in Chrome and large important sites and services are no longer working except in Chrome and with Goggle's blessing.

The author makes a very good comparison with Android, where you need a locked-down device and Google Services installed to be able to use Netflix, or your bank's services.

The rest of the article dives into what WEI claims to achieve vs what it's actually doing, and who it really benefits. Good read if you're still unclear about that.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    Who’s already using this thing? I know Google ships it, but is anyone checking it yet

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It's good odds that banks and streaming services are scrambling to implement it as we speak. You know they are. DRM is the perpetual wet dream for the music & film industry and for streaming services. And banks are paranoid as a matter of course.

    It's going to be very hard to say no, especially since they can say "but Chrome is working on all platforms, nobody's pushing you out of anything". Will you drop stream subscriptions? Everybody loves to say they'll drop Netflix "as soon as they push me one more time", but what about a service you actually like? And what about banks, are those as easy to switch?

    I've been through this for years now with Android and SafetyNet and it's a lot of hoops to have to jump through to stop being considered a second class user on your own device. It's going to suck extra bad when it comes to PC.

    As for Google services themselves, I'm very curious to see in what order and how they choose to make WEI mandatory. Maybe not for Search and Gmail, at first, but what about accessing your Google Account, surely that must be secured? And YouTube of course, that's got DRM written all over it.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Will you drop stream subscriptions

    Yes, I’ve got one foot out the door already. Shits too expensive, they kill all the best shows, they take down movies and stuff before I get a chance to watch them. I don’t even have Netflix, in my opinion is one of the worse streamers. I cancelled HBO a couple months ago, I only have ESPN+ and Apple TV

    what about banks

    If you’re not using a local bank or credit union I can’t help you, shit sucks and who is actually going to the branches anymore. Bank where old people bank.

    Beyond that Google search is ass (everyone knows this) Gmail is fine but only because it’s “free”, you can easily switch to a cheap alternative. YouTube is the only compelling product Google has anymore and honestly I’ll just pay for nebula if I really care about losing it

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Wait Nebula is actually built out? The YouTubers I listen to make it sound like it's in its early infancy.

    Google search is ass

    It feels incredibly weird using Bing... I don't even use it as an FU to Google, it's just somehow weirdly a better search engine right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    I use kagi, all that money I saved from not paying for cable (streaming) lol

    Yeah nebula rules, (practical engineering legaleagle minute physics etc) I’m procrastinating dropping Apple TV for it but I figure as soon as I do I’ll be happy I did, YouTube isn’t so good anymore either. The other good one imo is dropout tv, it’s comedy and dnd type stuff with some surprisingly big names imo

    The through line is that now figuring out streaming services is cheap enough that smaller companies can do it, so buying a streaming thing from a company the creators actually work for is a better business model for both viewers and creators than YouTube or other streaming platforms

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    so buying a streaming thing from a company the creators actually work for is a better business model for both viewers and creators than YouTube or other streaming platforms

    Sounds like a Uoptian paradise. I just assumed there wouldn't be enough content for it ever to be worth it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Things sure are dire when healthy competition feels utopian ;)

    whether it's worth it is up to you I think, personally it's worth it to me but it's certainly possible that it's not for others, and that's ok! but the options exist, they're out there

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Logitech and multiple others are now blocking Firefox, for example.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    That's a completely unrelated issue with Logitech. Firefox is "blocked" because it doesn't support WebUSB (nor does Safari). I understand this web DRM is bad tech and we want to be morally outraged, but spreading misinformation makes the Lemmy crowd look less like activists/enthusiasts and more like chicken little.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Google is actually shipping WEI in Chrome

    Is this confirmed? Last I saw, it was still a proposal on github.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    They ignored the objections to the proposal, pushed it directly into their tree and it's already live. I've had the prompt to enable it just today.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Switched to ff yesterday.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'll switch to FF today and flood the support of whatever shit site is going into that. There will be so much drama to harvest. (I'll not insult any service employee as they just do their job)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    Yeah, they pushed it in chrome very soon after the proposal made the rounds

    It's pretty telling seeing as it happened so fast it must've predated the proposal. The proposal was super vague - if you take it (and their statements) at face value, this was a nebulous idea with none of the details ironed out.

    And then like a week later, they push this update that would lock people out of sites? No way in hell they didn't test the crap out of this.

    Nah, this is definitely being done in bad faith.

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