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If Americans could read (lemmy.world)
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[–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

So it's an American value in a founding document unless we think it's wrong?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're just being deliberately obtuse at this point

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No I'm not. That's what you appear to be arguing. Either the founding documents are what we derive American values from, in which case we have to accept the bad things as well as the good things, or they are not, in which case we need a different way to define our values and what makes them American.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Then go back and reread my comment three up in this thread where I said that the DoI was a statement of values, and the Constitution is an attempt to make a goverment based on those values

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then, again, what makes a document written before America existed where we get American values from? They would not be American values if they were written before there was an America.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    In Congress, July 4, 1776

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, ...

    America didn't begin with the signing of the Constitution.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It absolutely did. Those states still operated as independent entities. They were united on the issue of declaring independence. Until the Constitution was signed, the states were not united as a nation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you think Rome didn't exist before Caesar Augustus took power?

    Did England spring from William of Normandy's forehead fully formed, clad in a wool coat and singing Rule Brittania?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Neither of those were multiple independent nations.

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