▲ 491 ▼ Just because it’s better than windows doesn’t make it good (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 154 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml [S] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is an interesting sentence: as long as you don’t update it’s extremely stable But this is more about macOS having no package manager (officially), telemetry and such permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know, and trust me, I hate Apple for essentially breaking my computer after an update. But I had my MacBook for 6 years now, use it daily, and have no hiccups other wise. Yeah, back when I was playing around with terminal not having a package manager was a huge pain in the ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Octopus1348@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you know about Brew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago At the time I couldn't get it to work. It's been years though permalink fedilink source parent [+] BURN@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I still don’t get the love for package managers. As a windows and Mac user who has tried to use Linux multiple times I can’t stand the centralized managers. They never have what I need and then it ends up out of date and not working. Is there some hidden benefit I’m missing? Because sourcing from the developer seems like the much better way to do it like Mac and Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Easy: Nothing beats the simplicity of brew install whatever or apt install whatever, and then having whatever just work, in my experience, pretty much every single time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pok@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Click download on the webpage Drag downloaded app to wherever you want to store it Open app It's just a matter of what you're used to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Personally I find them slower and less convenient. Like they said, it’s easier to do what you’re used to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’ve not had that experience. I’ve had to go hunting down package names on google before I can install it using the package manager, when instead I could have just downloaded it from their website. Apt, brew and whatever Arch has have all had the same problems for me. They almost never work out of the box and they’re a major reason I don’t like using Linux on desktop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 1.Security 2.Up to date depends on distro, rolling releases have more up to date software 3. Convenience: just open the app center and click install permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Security: if they leave checksums on their website I don’t see how it’s any more secure Up to date: I definitely haven’t had this experience. Multiple times on arch I had issues where an outdated repo caused an app to not be able to boot Convenience: That’s subjective. I’ve never really seen much convenience from an all in one solution for anything. I find it more of a hassle to find the distro specific manager that has a terrible UI rather than just downloading directly off a web page permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know, and trust me, I hate Apple for essentially breaking my computer after an update. But I had my MacBook for 6 years now, use it daily, and have no hiccups other wise. Yeah, back when I was playing around with terminal not having a package manager was a huge pain in the ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Octopus1348@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you know about Brew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago At the time I couldn't get it to work. It's been years though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Octopus1348@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Do you know about Brew? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago At the time I couldn't get it to work. It's been years though permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago At the time I couldn't get it to work. It's been years though permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BURN@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I still don’t get the love for package managers. As a windows and Mac user who has tried to use Linux multiple times I can’t stand the centralized managers. They never have what I need and then it ends up out of date and not working. Is there some hidden benefit I’m missing? Because sourcing from the developer seems like the much better way to do it like Mac and Windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Easy: Nothing beats the simplicity of brew install whatever or apt install whatever, and then having whatever just work, in my experience, pretty much every single time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pok@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Click download on the webpage Drag downloaded app to wherever you want to store it Open app It's just a matter of what you're used to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Personally I find them slower and less convenient. Like they said, it’s easier to do what you’re used to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’ve not had that experience. I’ve had to go hunting down package names on google before I can install it using the package manager, when instead I could have just downloaded it from their website. Apt, brew and whatever Arch has have all had the same problems for me. They almost never work out of the box and they’re a major reason I don’t like using Linux on desktop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 1.Security 2.Up to date depends on distro, rolling releases have more up to date software 3. Convenience: just open the app center and click install permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Security: if they leave checksums on their website I don’t see how it’s any more secure Up to date: I definitely haven’t had this experience. Multiple times on arch I had issues where an outdated repo caused an app to not be able to boot Convenience: That’s subjective. I’ve never really seen much convenience from an all in one solution for anything. I find it more of a hassle to find the distro specific manager that has a terrible UI rather than just downloading directly off a web page permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Easy: Nothing beats the simplicity of brew install whatever or apt install whatever, and then having whatever just work, in my experience, pretty much every single time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Pok@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Click download on the webpage Drag downloaded app to wherever you want to store it Open app It's just a matter of what you're used to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Personally I find them slower and less convenient. Like they said, it’s easier to do what you’re used to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’ve not had that experience. I’ve had to go hunting down package names on google before I can install it using the package manager, when instead I could have just downloaded it from their website. Apt, brew and whatever Arch has have all had the same problems for me. They almost never work out of the box and they’re a major reason I don’t like using Linux on desktop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pok@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Click download on the webpage Drag downloaded app to wherever you want to store it Open app It's just a matter of what you're used to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Personally I find them slower and less convenient. Like they said, it’s easier to do what you’re used to. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Personally I find them slower and less convenient. Like they said, it’s easier to do what you’re used to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Personally I find them slower and less convenient. Like they said, it’s easier to do what you’re used to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I’ve not had that experience. I’ve had to go hunting down package names on google before I can install it using the package manager, when instead I could have just downloaded it from their website. Apt, brew and whatever Arch has have all had the same problems for me. They almost never work out of the box and they’re a major reason I don’t like using Linux on desktop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 1.Security 2.Up to date depends on distro, rolling releases have more up to date software 3. Convenience: just open the app center and click install permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Security: if they leave checksums on their website I don’t see how it’s any more secure Up to date: I definitely haven’t had this experience. Multiple times on arch I had issues where an outdated repo caused an app to not be able to boot Convenience: That’s subjective. I’ve never really seen much convenience from an all in one solution for anything. I find it more of a hassle to find the distro specific manager that has a terrible UI rather than just downloading directly off a web page permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Security: if they leave checksums on their website I don’t see how it’s any more secure Up to date: I definitely haven’t had this experience. Multiple times on arch I had issues where an outdated repo caused an app to not be able to boot Convenience: That’s subjective. I’ve never really seen much convenience from an all in one solution for anything. I find it more of a hassle to find the distro specific manager that has a terrible UI rather than just downloading directly off a web page permalink fedilink source parent
