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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) When that mass shooter was in Uvalde they should have droned the school. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids. Do you shoot back or do you sit around like the cops did and wait till the killer gets bored, runs out of ammo, or runs out of victims. Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids. Sure, and then you bomb the school to kill them all. Also bomb all the surrounding buildings just in case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago The movie Blazing Saddles has a scene where the protagonists threatens himself as hostage. It worked. Movie Clip Not Censored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNJUjsNKVk&t=153s permalink fedilink source parent [+] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] Masterchief117@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (19 children) The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets ever much less since October 7th? Maybe if Israel didn’t have a concentration camp outside of their city walls they wouldn't have to worry about the threat of retribution? Better analogy is the Uvalde shooter also starved and killed kids in the school for generations. Then some of the starving children started throwing sharpened pencils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments load more comments (19 replies) [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just look up how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 30 years. Israel is the bad guy here, it's not debatable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) the bad guy Why does there have to be a singular "the" bad guy? And why the need to lump a huge group together to lay that blame? The Israeli government and Hamas both share the blame for all of this, among others. As is too common in the world, while a relatively small group deserves the blame, many more, on both sides, suffer the consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Hamas's goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don't have the resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas's charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this "one side is attempting genocide" talking point from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No but you see, if you’re homeless and the authorities tell you to take shelter in my house, and then you start killing my family members to try and take over the house… if I defend my house… I’m the bad guy bc you where homeless before. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th. Now, if only both parties would just cease firing for a moment. Has anyone thought of that? And if: has any governmet refused to offer/accept such ceasing of firing? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you think you can get Hamas, an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli, to agree to an abide by a cease fire, go for it. Their current track record speaks volumes to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's a better idea give Hamas new recluits /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Good job dehumanizing "the enemy". That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead? an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli [Citation needed] To be clear: I'm definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) *not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago Oopsie. Thank you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids. Do you shoot back or do you sit around like the cops did and wait till the killer gets bored, runs out of ammo, or runs out of victims. Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids. Sure, and then you bomb the school to kill them all. Also bomb all the surrounding buildings just in case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago The movie Blazing Saddles has a scene where the protagonists threatens himself as hostage. It worked. Movie Clip Not Censored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNJUjsNKVk&t=153s permalink fedilink source parent [+] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] Masterchief117@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (19 children) The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets ever much less since October 7th? Maybe if Israel didn’t have a concentration camp outside of their city walls they wouldn't have to worry about the threat of retribution? Better analogy is the Uvalde shooter also starved and killed kids in the school for generations. Then some of the starving children started throwing sharpened pencils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments load more comments (19 replies) [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just look up how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 30 years. Israel is the bad guy here, it's not debatable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) the bad guy Why does there have to be a singular "the" bad guy? And why the need to lump a huge group together to lay that blame? The Israeli government and Hamas both share the blame for all of this, among others. As is too common in the world, while a relatively small group deserves the blame, many more, on both sides, suffer the consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Hamas's goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don't have the resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas's charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this "one side is attempting genocide" talking point from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No but you see, if you’re homeless and the authorities tell you to take shelter in my house, and then you start killing my family members to try and take over the house… if I defend my house… I’m the bad guy bc you where homeless before. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th. Now, if only both parties would just cease firing for a moment. Has anyone thought of that? And if: has any governmet refused to offer/accept such ceasing of firing? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you think you can get Hamas, an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli, to agree to an abide by a cease fire, go for it. Their current track record speaks volumes to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's a better idea give Hamas new recluits /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Good job dehumanizing "the enemy". That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead? an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli [Citation needed] To be clear: I'm definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) *not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago Oopsie. Thank you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids. Sure, and then you bomb the school to kill them all. Also bomb all the surrounding buildings just in case. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago The movie Blazing Saddles has a scene where the protagonists threatens himself as hostage. It worked. Movie Clip Not Censored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNJUjsNKVk&t=153s permalink fedilink source parent [+] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] cqthca@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago The movie Blazing Saddles has a scene where the protagonists threatens himself as hostage. It worked. Movie Clip Not Censored https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTNJUjsNKVk&t=153s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Masterchief117@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (19 children) The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets ever much less since October 7th? Maybe if Israel didn’t have a concentration camp outside of their city walls they wouldn't have to worry about the threat of retribution? Better analogy is the Uvalde shooter also starved and killed kids in the school for generations. Then some of the starving children started throwing sharpened pencils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments load more comments (19 replies)
[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just look up how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 30 years. Israel is the bad guy here, it's not debatable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) the bad guy Why does there have to be a singular "the" bad guy? And why the need to lump a huge group together to lay that blame? The Israeli government and Hamas both share the blame for all of this, among others. As is too common in the world, while a relatively small group deserves the blame, many more, on both sides, suffer the consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Hamas's goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don't have the resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas's charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this "one side is attempting genocide" talking point from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No but you see, if you’re homeless and the authorities tell you to take shelter in my house, and then you start killing my family members to try and take over the house… if I defend my house… I’m the bad guy bc you where homeless before. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) the bad guy Why does there have to be a singular "the" bad guy? And why the need to lump a huge group together to lay that blame? The Israeli government and Hamas both share the blame for all of this, among others. As is too common in the world, while a relatively small group deserves the blame, many more, on both sides, suffer the consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Hamas's goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don't have the resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas's charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this "one side is attempting genocide" talking point from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Hamas's goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don't have the resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas's charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this "one side is attempting genocide" talking point from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Hamas's goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don't have the resources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* I don't have a subscription but this article claims to cover both charters of Hamas in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Are you aware that Hamas's charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this "one side is attempting genocide" talking point from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait a minute. You think Hamas's charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven't read anything have you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not the person you replied to, but: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) Also some fun sections '[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13) 'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter#Text_of_the_1988_charter https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Now that someone posted the quotes you just downvote without replying? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What’s the point? If you really think those quotes mean Hamas wants to “unalive” every Jewish person in existence then you need to work on your reading comprehension. I can’t help anyone with that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I knew it! You are bad faith all around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Whatever floats your boat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I like that we have to hold your hand and walk you through every step of the way for you to even concede an inch. But holy hell you get to screech nonsense left and right like it's gospel. It's clear you have a limited understanding of who Hamas or the PLO are. Don't worry, I'll follow up with the receipts even though I know you'll shift the goalposts again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago So where’s the quote then? Where are the receipts you’re talking about? All I see are personal attacks and nothing of substance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I posted the quotes from Hamas' 1988 charter, so that others following the thread will see what they're really about and not get gaslit by useful idiots who gloss over their intent to simply kill every Israeli and their complete disregard for any peaceful solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just saw that thanks. I worry that people are unable to have nuanced conversation. It's either supporting genocide or liberating Palestine. There is no in between. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Or simply acknowledging that maybe, just maybe firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel is a bad thing and that the IDF is responding to the 10/7 massacre and the continued threat of the ongoing rocket attacks. "But the Israelis are good at dodging the rockets and shooting them down, so the rockets aren't that big of a deal!" Like, FFS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago No but you see, if you’re homeless and the authorities tell you to take shelter in my house, and then you start killing my family members to try and take over the house… if I defend my house… I’m the bad guy bc you where homeless before. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th. Now, if only both parties would just cease firing for a moment. Has anyone thought of that? And if: has any governmet refused to offer/accept such ceasing of firing? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you think you can get Hamas, an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli, to agree to an abide by a cease fire, go for it. Their current track record speaks volumes to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's a better idea give Hamas new recluits /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Good job dehumanizing "the enemy". That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead? an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli [Citation needed] To be clear: I'm definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) *not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago Oopsie. Thank you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you think you can get Hamas, an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli, to agree to an abide by a cease fire, go for it. Their current track record speaks volumes to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's a better idea give Hamas new recluits /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Good job dehumanizing "the enemy". That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead? an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli [Citation needed] To be clear: I'm definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) *not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago Oopsie. Thank you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it's a better idea give Hamas new recluits /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Good job dehumanizing "the enemy". That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead? an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli [Citation needed] To be clear: I'm definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) *not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago Oopsie. Thank you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) *not permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago Oopsie. Thank you permalink fedilink source parent
