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Every dang day (lemmy.ml)
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[+] -19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

The fact that you see people on the right as cartoon villains means YOU are the hateful person.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    People on the right wanting to take away medical treatment from trans people that we all know will result in more of them being miserable and committing suicide. That's hateful.

    Laws passed to censor any discussion of homosexuality, ensuring gay people stay isolated, closeted, and unaccepted by larger society. That's hateful.

    Silence any talk of racism lest we work to overcome it? Hateful.

    We hear Trump telling us he will lock up the lefties. Believe it or not, hateful.

    Trump making fun of disabled people and Republicans laughing along with? Again, Hateful.

    Putting brown kids in cages, or yanking them away from their families and then losing them? Hateful.

    And on and on.

    Rabid right wing extremists have taken over the GOP over the last few decades. They're the hateful ones.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Things it's okay to hate people for:

    • Their race
    • Their gender
    • Who they are attracted to
    • Their ethnicity
    • Their religion

    Things it's not okay to hate people for:

    • Their shitty opinions

    Thank you for saving us from the cancel mob

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Except they literally are, looking at the US. I’m European and I see most right-wing European politicians as just “assholes I disagree with”, but the US Republicans are literally cartoon villains at this point. Like, Trump would get labeled as unrealistic if he was an antagonist in a remotely adult-oriented movie.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And Europeans are anti-trans bigots who have begun limiting gender affirming care to minors. What's your point?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That’s not all Europeans, and it also applies to most American Republicans. Whataboutism is already weak as an argument, at least mention an issue the US don’t have as well (not that I can come up with any, honestly)

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Obviously it's not ALL Europeans. No country in the world is a monolith. The governments, however, ARE representative of the general will of the people. The fact that the governments of Europe (again who are representative of the people) are backpedaling on gender affirming care and pausing things like hormone replacement therapy, gender reassignment surgery, and shutting down gender clinics indicates to me that the general will of the people in Europe is one of transphobia.

    "Most American Republicans" are in the minority and NOT representative of the will of the people as indicated by the fact that our current administration is Democrat. We also affirm trans individuals by allowing widespread access to gender affirming care, flying the trans flag on public buildings, and highlighting trans individuals in mainstream media.

    For the record, my argument was not a "whataboutism", but yours in fact was.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    When were we talking about “all Americans”? I always talked about “right-wing politicians”, and the large majority of US right-wing politicians are anti-trans. That’s not generalizing. Saying Europeans, or even European governments are “anti-trans bigots” is generalizing and implying the left-wing governments are anti-trans as well, when it’s pretty much only the right wing, just like in the US. You’re also exaggerating a lot of what’s actually happening in Europe, unless I’m coincidentally looking in all the wrong places. For example, it seems to me “shutting down gender clinics” is referring to exactly one clinic being announced to shut down in the UK, while others are being built in the exact same area.

    ”You’re a hateful person if you see people on the right as cartoon villains”

    ”US Republicans literally act like cartoon villains though”

    ”Well Europeans are all anti-trans bigots”

    You replied to my point with a different one, with the intent to diminish mine by pivoting the attention to yours. How is it not the exact definition of whataboutism?

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