▲ 784 ▼ Banks hit with $549 million in fines for use of Signal, WhatsApp to evade regulators’ reach (www.cnbc.com) submitted 3 years ago by L4s@lemmy.world [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments Banks hit with $549 million in fines for use of Signal, WhatsApp to evade regulators’ reach::Wells Fargo, a relatively small player on Wall Street, racked up the most fines Tuesday, with a total of $200 million in penalties.
[+] J12@lemmy.world 187 points 3 years ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ech0@lemmy.world 56 points 3 years ago* (3 children) Wells Fargo is worth 163 billion. That $200 million fine is literally 0.12% of their Net worth. In comparison The average US salary is $59,428. A parketing ticket on average is about $80 That parketing ticket is 0.13% of that Salary. So this "fine" is in fact cheaper than a parking ticket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Frodo@startrek.website 15 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) You can’t compare worth with income. A better comparison might be profits, which were $15B for past 12 months. So Wells Fargo’s penalty is 1.3% of their “salary.” Even if you go by revenue, it’s greater than your parking ticket example. I get that they are an evil corporation, but accuracy matters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yup. The fines should be 10-20% of profits for the time period, per charge, depending on the severity. That would got their gd attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Never profits, always revenue. Profits can be gobbled up by some internal bonus or "future investment in a project", thus making it $0. Revenue is all the money generated before allocations and expenses come out. Much harder to weasle out of. permalink fedilink source parent [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Sometimes I don't feed the meter if I don't think a meter maid will get to my car before the parking hours end. I just fuckin risk it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustAThought@lemm.ee 17 points 3 years ago Some countries have speeding fines set to a percentage of your pre-tax income. A student is hurt as much as a CEO. This should be the same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Agreed. They harm people all day with defective products and the solution is "lol here have this fine that barely hurts you" permalink fedilink source parent [–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago I believe the federal government has the power of the corporate death penalty, they just never use it. At this point I'd rather we be like Asian countries and start jailing the CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aux@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) The whole point of a limited company is that its owners are protected against failures of the company. A lot of things will go sideways if this protection gets removed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm genuinely ignorant, but is the owner's protection against the company failing due to standard bad luck/mismanagement/cursed frogurt, the company doing blatantly illegal things under their direction, or both? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 years ago Companies in prison. Unable to operate for whatever length their sentence is. When they come out, they will forever be considered a felon and will not be able to do business with most other companies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kaizervonmaanen@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago Of you put CEOs and Execs in prison then you are not treating corporations like people. If you do something illegal then they put you in prison. Not your CEO or Execs. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sol@lemm.ee -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) Nobody's sending you to jail for using WhatsApp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago They evaded scrutiny of regulators. That is what they're being charged with. permalink fedilink source parent [+] i_do_not_agree@lemmy.world -28 points 3 years ago (4 children) What about the people who working there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago (2 children) They will be made into hamburgers and i will eat them with mushrooms and swiss permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago As @Nutteman has spoken, so let it be permalink fedilink source parent [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Hear ye, hear ye! permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago* They should get UBI, just like everybody else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago To jail with them all! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reborn2966@feddit.it 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) are you a bot? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] i_do_not_agree@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ech0@lemmy.world 56 points 3 years ago* (3 children) Wells Fargo is worth 163 billion. That $200 million fine is literally 0.12% of their Net worth. In comparison The average US salary is $59,428. A parketing ticket on average is about $80 That parketing ticket is 0.13% of that Salary. So this "fine" is in fact cheaper than a parking ticket. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Frodo@startrek.website 15 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) You can’t compare worth with income. A better comparison might be profits, which were $15B for past 12 months. So Wells Fargo’s penalty is 1.3% of their “salary.” Even if you go by revenue, it’s greater than your parking ticket example. I get that they are an evil corporation, but accuracy matters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yup. The fines should be 10-20% of profits for the time period, per charge, depending on the severity. That would got their gd attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Never profits, always revenue. Profits can be gobbled up by some internal bonus or "future investment in a project", thus making it $0. Revenue is all the money generated before allocations and expenses come out. Much harder to weasle out of. permalink fedilink source parent [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Sometimes I don't feed the meter if I don't think a meter maid will get to my car before the parking hours end. I just fuckin risk it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frodo@startrek.website 15 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) You can’t compare worth with income. A better comparison might be profits, which were $15B for past 12 months. So Wells Fargo’s penalty is 1.3% of their “salary.” Even if you go by revenue, it’s greater than your parking ticket example. I get that they are an evil corporation, but accuracy matters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yup. The fines should be 10-20% of profits for the time period, per charge, depending on the severity. That would got their gd attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Never profits, always revenue. Profits can be gobbled up by some internal bonus or "future investment in a project", thus making it $0. Revenue is all the money generated before allocations and expenses come out. Much harder to weasle out of. permalink fedilink source parent [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Never profits, always revenue. Profits can be gobbled up by some internal bonus or "future investment in a project", thus making it $0. Revenue is all the money generated before allocations and expenses come out. Much harder to weasle out of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Sometimes I don't feed the meter if I don't think a meter maid will get to my car before the parking hours end. I just fuckin risk it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustAThought@lemm.ee 17 points 3 years ago Some countries have speeding fines set to a percentage of your pre-tax income. A student is hurt as much as a CEO. This should be the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Agreed. They harm people all day with defective products and the solution is "lol here have this fine that barely hurts you" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago I believe the federal government has the power of the corporate death penalty, they just never use it. At this point I'd rather we be like Asian countries and start jailing the CEOs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) The whole point of a limited company is that its owners are protected against failures of the company. A lot of things will go sideways if this protection gets removed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm genuinely ignorant, but is the owner's protection against the company failing due to standard bad luck/mismanagement/cursed frogurt, the company doing blatantly illegal things under their direction, or both? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I'm genuinely ignorant, but is the owner's protection against the company failing due to standard bad luck/mismanagement/cursed frogurt, the company doing blatantly illegal things under their direction, or both? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Aux@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 years ago Companies in prison. Unable to operate for whatever length their sentence is. When they come out, they will forever be considered a felon and will not be able to do business with most other companies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kaizervonmaanen@reddthat.com 1 point 3 years ago Of you put CEOs and Execs in prison then you are not treating corporations like people. If you do something illegal then they put you in prison. Not your CEO or Execs. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sol@lemm.ee -15 points 3 years ago (1 child) Nobody's sending you to jail for using WhatsApp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago They evaded scrutiny of regulators. That is what they're being charged with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 years ago They evaded scrutiny of regulators. That is what they're being charged with. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] i_do_not_agree@lemmy.world -28 points 3 years ago (4 children) What about the people who working there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago (2 children) They will be made into hamburgers and i will eat them with mushrooms and swiss permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago As @Nutteman has spoken, so let it be permalink fedilink source parent [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Hear ye, hear ye! permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago* They should get UBI, just like everybody else. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago To jail with them all! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] Reborn2966@feddit.it 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) are you a bot? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] i_do_not_agree@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago (2 children) They will be made into hamburgers and i will eat them with mushrooms and swiss permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago As @Nutteman has spoken, so let it be permalink fedilink source parent [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Hear ye, hear ye! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago As @Nutteman has spoken, so let it be permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago* They should get UBI, just like everybody else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago To jail with them all! /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reborn2966@feddit.it 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) are you a bot? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] i_do_not_agree@lemmy.world -5 points 3 years ago Yes permalink fedilink source parent