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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If polling is accurate, they will be voted out soon enough. To remove Hamas one needs the ammo box, as they have removed the ballot box as an option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it doesn't require killing civilians to accomplish. Just assassinate the Hammas leadership until there's no one left who wants to risk it. Mossad is pretty good at tracking people down. Cut off the head and the body will die. But, that's pretending that Israel just wants to protect itself instead of looking for an excuse to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GingerHobbit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) OOOoh now I understand! Just kill Hamas, it's easy! Wish we'd thought of that sooner. Wow, war must be a breeze. No innocents ever die in wars! If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker. Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered, for example, instead of telling them to get out of harm's way. The whole situation is fucked, and war is fucked. There are no easy answers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Finally someone that gets it... People think fighting those terrorists is just like a computer game, where the objective is simple and doable. Just stroll on and kill all of the Hamas leaders, which are conveniently located in the same room. Cue the 'boss fight' music! They don't understand how these people operate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gever4ever@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I mean they sometimes literally march civilians in front of their troops in active combat. It doesn't help that their fighters are sometimes dressed as civilians, either. The IDF also has to guard those humanitarian corridors themselves otherwise Hamas would shoot down all those trying to evacuate. If Israel didn't care about civilian deaths the war would be over on October 8th. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has killed 1 out of every 200 Gazans. For comparison, the death toll in Gaza is about 11000 civilians, while the death toll in Ukraine is 9700 (in 19 months). Isn't that quick enough to you? Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered Jabalia refugee camp: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1209763194/the-latest-on-israels-bombing-of-the-largest-gazan-refugee-camp Al-Maghazi refugee camp: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/israel-bombs-al-maghazi-refugee-camp-killing-dozens-gaza-officials-say instead of telling them to get out of harm’s way. ...only to bomb the people who are getting out of harm's way: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has ... [many examples of less than total war] Your examples are clearly designed to create outrage, but you haven't invalidated their point with your statistics or articles. Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza immediately were they so inclined. They are a nuclear power. They have access to many munitions and tactics they haven't used and probably will never use. IDF has been clear that they will attack legitimate Hamas targets anywhere. Yes, even under refugee camps. Yes, even in the south. Jalabia was in the evacuation zone. IDF has warned that anyone remaining will be considered potential enemy targets, and according to them there was a tunnel network with valid military targets underneath it. According to your link, the only source for the attack on Al-Maghazi refugee camp is Hamas, which is not credible. It has not been verified by 3rd parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel. The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zorque@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago And the IDF will bomb as many civilians as they need to to remove them from power! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) True, but it doesn't require killing civilians to accomplish. Just assassinate the Hammas leadership until there's no one left who wants to risk it. Mossad is pretty good at tracking people down. Cut off the head and the body will die. But, that's pretending that Israel just wants to protect itself instead of looking for an excuse to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GingerHobbit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) OOOoh now I understand! Just kill Hamas, it's easy! Wish we'd thought of that sooner. Wow, war must be a breeze. No innocents ever die in wars! If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker. Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered, for example, instead of telling them to get out of harm's way. The whole situation is fucked, and war is fucked. There are no easy answers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Finally someone that gets it... People think fighting those terrorists is just like a computer game, where the objective is simple and doable. Just stroll on and kill all of the Hamas leaders, which are conveniently located in the same room. Cue the 'boss fight' music! They don't understand how these people operate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gever4ever@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I mean they sometimes literally march civilians in front of their troops in active combat. It doesn't help that their fighters are sometimes dressed as civilians, either. The IDF also has to guard those humanitarian corridors themselves otherwise Hamas would shoot down all those trying to evacuate. If Israel didn't care about civilian deaths the war would be over on October 8th. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has killed 1 out of every 200 Gazans. For comparison, the death toll in Gaza is about 11000 civilians, while the death toll in Ukraine is 9700 (in 19 months). Isn't that quick enough to you? Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered Jabalia refugee camp: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1209763194/the-latest-on-israels-bombing-of-the-largest-gazan-refugee-camp Al-Maghazi refugee camp: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/israel-bombs-al-maghazi-refugee-camp-killing-dozens-gaza-officials-say instead of telling them to get out of harm’s way. ...only to bomb the people who are getting out of harm's way: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has ... [many examples of less than total war] Your examples are clearly designed to create outrage, but you haven't invalidated their point with your statistics or articles. Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza immediately were they so inclined. They are a nuclear power. They have access to many munitions and tactics they haven't used and probably will never use. IDF has been clear that they will attack legitimate Hamas targets anywhere. Yes, even under refugee camps. Yes, even in the south. Jalabia was in the evacuation zone. IDF has warned that anyone remaining will be considered potential enemy targets, and according to them there was a tunnel network with valid military targets underneath it. According to your link, the only source for the attack on Al-Maghazi refugee camp is Hamas, which is not credible. It has not been verified by 3rd parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel. The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GingerHobbit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) OOOoh now I understand! Just kill Hamas, it's easy! Wish we'd thought of that sooner. Wow, war must be a breeze. No innocents ever die in wars! If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker. Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered, for example, instead of telling them to get out of harm's way. The whole situation is fucked, and war is fucked. There are no easy answers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Finally someone that gets it... People think fighting those terrorists is just like a computer game, where the objective is simple and doable. Just stroll on and kill all of the Hamas leaders, which are conveniently located in the same room. Cue the 'boss fight' music! They don't understand how these people operate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gever4ever@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I mean they sometimes literally march civilians in front of their troops in active combat. It doesn't help that their fighters are sometimes dressed as civilians, either. The IDF also has to guard those humanitarian corridors themselves otherwise Hamas would shoot down all those trying to evacuate. If Israel didn't care about civilian deaths the war would be over on October 8th. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has killed 1 out of every 200 Gazans. For comparison, the death toll in Gaza is about 11000 civilians, while the death toll in Ukraine is 9700 (in 19 months). Isn't that quick enough to you? Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered Jabalia refugee camp: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1209763194/the-latest-on-israels-bombing-of-the-largest-gazan-refugee-camp Al-Maghazi refugee camp: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/israel-bombs-al-maghazi-refugee-camp-killing-dozens-gaza-officials-say instead of telling them to get out of harm’s way. ...only to bomb the people who are getting out of harm's way: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has ... [many examples of less than total war] Your examples are clearly designed to create outrage, but you haven't invalidated their point with your statistics or articles. Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza immediately were they so inclined. They are a nuclear power. They have access to many munitions and tactics they haven't used and probably will never use. IDF has been clear that they will attack legitimate Hamas targets anywhere. Yes, even under refugee camps. Yes, even in the south. Jalabia was in the evacuation zone. IDF has warned that anyone remaining will be considered potential enemy targets, and according to them there was a tunnel network with valid military targets underneath it. According to your link, the only source for the attack on Al-Maghazi refugee camp is Hamas, which is not credible. It has not been verified by 3rd parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel. The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Finally someone that gets it... People think fighting those terrorists is just like a computer game, where the objective is simple and doable. Just stroll on and kill all of the Hamas leaders, which are conveniently located in the same room. Cue the 'boss fight' music! They don't understand how these people operate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gever4ever@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I mean they sometimes literally march civilians in front of their troops in active combat. It doesn't help that their fighters are sometimes dressed as civilians, either. The IDF also has to guard those humanitarian corridors themselves otherwise Hamas would shoot down all those trying to evacuate. If Israel didn't care about civilian deaths the war would be over on October 8th. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gever4ever@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I mean they sometimes literally march civilians in front of their troops in active combat. It doesn't help that their fighters are sometimes dressed as civilians, either. The IDF also has to guard those humanitarian corridors themselves otherwise Hamas would shoot down all those trying to evacuate. If Israel didn't care about civilian deaths the war would be over on October 8th. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has killed 1 out of every 200 Gazans. For comparison, the death toll in Gaza is about 11000 civilians, while the death toll in Ukraine is 9700 (in 19 months). Isn't that quick enough to you? Bombing the places where the refugees are gathered Jabalia refugee camp: https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1209763194/the-latest-on-israels-bombing-of-the-largest-gazan-refugee-camp Al-Maghazi refugee camp: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/israel-bombs-al-maghazi-refugee-camp-killing-dozens-gaza-officials-say instead of telling them to get out of harm’s way. ...only to bomb the people who are getting out of harm's way: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/middleeast/israel-palestinian-evacuation-orders-invs/index.html https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has ... [many examples of less than total war] Your examples are clearly designed to create outrage, but you haven't invalidated their point with your statistics or articles. Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza immediately were they so inclined. They are a nuclear power. They have access to many munitions and tactics they haven't used and probably will never use. IDF has been clear that they will attack legitimate Hamas targets anywhere. Yes, even under refugee camps. Yes, even in the south. Jalabia was in the evacuation zone. IDF has warned that anyone remaining will be considered potential enemy targets, and according to them there was a tunnel network with valid military targets underneath it. According to your link, the only source for the attack on Al-Maghazi refugee camp is Hamas, which is not credible. It has not been verified by 3rd parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel. The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If we wanted a genocide it would have happened a hell of a lot quicker In one month and a half, Israel has ... [many examples of less than total war] Your examples are clearly designed to create outrage, but you haven't invalidated their point with your statistics or articles. Israel could have killed everyone in Gaza immediately were they so inclined. They are a nuclear power. They have access to many munitions and tactics they haven't used and probably will never use. IDF has been clear that they will attack legitimate Hamas targets anywhere. Yes, even under refugee camps. Yes, even in the south. Jalabia was in the evacuation zone. IDF has warned that anyone remaining will be considered potential enemy targets, and according to them there was a tunnel network with valid military targets underneath it. According to your link, the only source for the attack on Al-Maghazi refugee camp is Hamas, which is not credible. It has not been verified by 3rd parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel. The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jalda@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago So, we have to be grateful that Israel hasn't dropped a fucking nuke, how magnanimous! Not to mention the little detail that nuclear fallout doesn't care about borders. A nuke in Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands in Israel. The previous comment tried to argue that Israel wasn't committing genocide because they didn't bomb refugee camps and because they evacuated the population, and I showed that both of the claims are false. The rest is you moving the goalposts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zorque@kbin.social -5 points 2 years ago And the IDF will bomb as many civilians as they need to to remove them from power! permalink fedilink source parent