▲ 394 ▼ consumption is freedom (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by banneryear1868@lemmy.world to c/leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 70 points 2 years ago (2 children) No supercar is good enough to waste your life working 24/7. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] JonSecadaNightRanger@kbin.social -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's probably down to what brings you joy in life. If laying on the beach, drinking cocktails is what give you happiness: yeah, don't bother trying to buy a Ferrari 296, because it won't be worth it. But if you're a really hardcore car person, and absolutely love the thrill of driving a fast car that handles unbelievably well, cars like the Huracán totally live up to the lofty aspirations you give it. Sure, you'll have a lot of fun in a Toyota GR-86 (even more if you've modified it), but there's a reason the Nismo GT-R costs over five times the price. It's phenomenal. All of this is moot if you don't like cars, though. I think expensive watches are a waste of money, but I'd never say that to someone who (for whatever reason) likes them. To each their own, and all that jazz. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago I fucking love cars. Some I can afford on an IT salary. Some I can't. The Huracán is one. Or a Ferrari 250 GTO (maybe if I drop Netflix /s). I think you need to be a surgeon, business owner, high zoot lawyer, something like that-- like half a mil or more a year -- to be thinking about a Huracán starting north of $212k. Or maybe I just don't like to go into massive debt lol. Honestly I'd be ecstatic to own a restored 70-72 Firebird. Can't really justify it, I don't think. The idea that there's people in the world for whom a Huracán is an impulse buy that wouldn't substantially affect their wealth is kind of mind-blowing when many, many folks (in America) can only afford a clapped out shitbox. And probably billions can't afford a rusted bicycle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bayank@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago As a BRZ owner I feel attacked permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago Material stuff doesn't make one happy, it is nothing but a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago (3 children) Most Lamborghini owners aren't spending their salary or working overtime. You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. They already own their home and are enjoying life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child) They already own their home and are enjoying life. -by exploiting other's labor and creating a bigger wealth disparity than has ever existed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blah blah blah, I know anyone who makes more than 150k a year bougie and stealing from the poor. You ain't going to make headway there with me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not the amount of money it's the method of acquisition. An engineer or independent contractor or something could make that kind of money and still not be considered bourgeoisie. (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brambledog@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PeWu@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look up. That's the point you missed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 14 points 2 years ago* The meme's not really about the car it's about the ideology of the person in it and how common that "consoom your way to freedom" view is among certain males in particular. Cars are whatever and sometimes amazing machines, like yeah maybe people shouldn't be able to buy million dollar vehicles while other people starve, but that goes way beyond a car and more like the whole structure of capitalist economy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Congrats. You’ve missed the point entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Whatever you say. I'm pretty sure you just don't like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars and don't have to sell their soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. I’m pretty sure you just don’t like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars Which is it? Can I be middle class and afford a supercar, or do I need to be upper class (being in the top 10% of earners) to be able to afford one? Because I'd love to hear an argument that "middle class" and "top 10%" are remotely the same that didn't make me laugh in your face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago 170k puts you in the to 10% If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol that’s a hellofalot of projection, but whatever helps you cope, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago 👌👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] JonSecadaNightRanger@kbin.social -13 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's probably down to what brings you joy in life. If laying on the beach, drinking cocktails is what give you happiness: yeah, don't bother trying to buy a Ferrari 296, because it won't be worth it. But if you're a really hardcore car person, and absolutely love the thrill of driving a fast car that handles unbelievably well, cars like the Huracán totally live up to the lofty aspirations you give it. Sure, you'll have a lot of fun in a Toyota GR-86 (even more if you've modified it), but there's a reason the Nismo GT-R costs over five times the price. It's phenomenal. All of this is moot if you don't like cars, though. I think expensive watches are a waste of money, but I'd never say that to someone who (for whatever reason) likes them. To each their own, and all that jazz. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago I fucking love cars. Some I can afford on an IT salary. Some I can't. The Huracán is one. Or a Ferrari 250 GTO (maybe if I drop Netflix /s). I think you need to be a surgeon, business owner, high zoot lawyer, something like that-- like half a mil or more a year -- to be thinking about a Huracán starting north of $212k. Or maybe I just don't like to go into massive debt lol. Honestly I'd be ecstatic to own a restored 70-72 Firebird. Can't really justify it, I don't think. The idea that there's people in the world for whom a Huracán is an impulse buy that wouldn't substantially affect their wealth is kind of mind-blowing when many, many folks (in America) can only afford a clapped out shitbox. And probably billions can't afford a rusted bicycle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bayank@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago As a BRZ owner I feel attacked permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago Material stuff doesn't make one happy, it is nothing but a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago I fucking love cars. Some I can afford on an IT salary. Some I can't. The Huracán is one. Or a Ferrari 250 GTO (maybe if I drop Netflix /s). I think you need to be a surgeon, business owner, high zoot lawyer, something like that-- like half a mil or more a year -- to be thinking about a Huracán starting north of $212k. Or maybe I just don't like to go into massive debt lol. Honestly I'd be ecstatic to own a restored 70-72 Firebird. Can't really justify it, I don't think. The idea that there's people in the world for whom a Huracán is an impulse buy that wouldn't substantially affect their wealth is kind of mind-blowing when many, many folks (in America) can only afford a clapped out shitbox. And probably billions can't afford a rusted bicycle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bayank@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago As a BRZ owner I feel attacked permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago Material stuff doesn't make one happy, it is nothing but a distraction. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago (3 children) Most Lamborghini owners aren't spending their salary or working overtime. You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. They already own their home and are enjoying life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child) They already own their home and are enjoying life. -by exploiting other's labor and creating a bigger wealth disparity than has ever existed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blah blah blah, I know anyone who makes more than 150k a year bougie and stealing from the poor. You ain't going to make headway there with me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not the amount of money it's the method of acquisition. An engineer or independent contractor or something could make that kind of money and still not be considered bourgeoisie. (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brambledog@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PeWu@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look up. That's the point you missed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 14 points 2 years ago* The meme's not really about the car it's about the ideology of the person in it and how common that "consoom your way to freedom" view is among certain males in particular. Cars are whatever and sometimes amazing machines, like yeah maybe people shouldn't be able to buy million dollar vehicles while other people starve, but that goes way beyond a car and more like the whole structure of capitalist economy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Congrats. You’ve missed the point entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Whatever you say. I'm pretty sure you just don't like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars and don't have to sell their soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. I’m pretty sure you just don’t like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars Which is it? Can I be middle class and afford a supercar, or do I need to be upper class (being in the top 10% of earners) to be able to afford one? Because I'd love to hear an argument that "middle class" and "top 10%" are remotely the same that didn't make me laugh in your face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago 170k puts you in the to 10% If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol that’s a hellofalot of projection, but whatever helps you cope, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago 👌👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child) They already own their home and are enjoying life. -by exploiting other's labor and creating a bigger wealth disparity than has ever existed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blah blah blah, I know anyone who makes more than 150k a year bougie and stealing from the poor. You ain't going to make headway there with me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not the amount of money it's the method of acquisition. An engineer or independent contractor or something could make that kind of money and still not be considered bourgeoisie. (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brambledog@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Blah blah blah, I know anyone who makes more than 150k a year bougie and stealing from the poor. You ain't going to make headway there with me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not the amount of money it's the method of acquisition. An engineer or independent contractor or something could make that kind of money and still not be considered bourgeoisie. (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brambledog@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not the amount of money it's the method of acquisition. An engineer or independent contractor or something could make that kind of money and still not be considered bourgeoisie. (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent [+] brambledog@lemmy.today 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) (Though probably petit-bourgeoisie?) Still a prole until you stop relying on selling your labour power for money. Though an outlier statistically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Correct. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* It did make me think of examples where there are edge cases though. Say a freelancer or an artist that, although they do not directly employ people, their income from their work could be greatly multiplied by the work done by others. In the end it might just boil down to details whether such an arrangement is or is not petit bourgeoisie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PeWu@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look up. That's the point you missed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 14 points 2 years ago* The meme's not really about the car it's about the ideology of the person in it and how common that "consoom your way to freedom" view is among certain males in particular. Cars are whatever and sometimes amazing machines, like yeah maybe people shouldn't be able to buy million dollar vehicles while other people starve, but that goes way beyond a car and more like the whole structure of capitalist economy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world [S] 14 points 2 years ago* The meme's not really about the car it's about the ideology of the person in it and how common that "consoom your way to freedom" view is among certain males in particular. Cars are whatever and sometimes amazing machines, like yeah maybe people shouldn't be able to buy million dollar vehicles while other people starve, but that goes way beyond a car and more like the whole structure of capitalist economy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Congrats. You’ve missed the point entirely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Whatever you say. I'm pretty sure you just don't like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars and don't have to sell their soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. I’m pretty sure you just don’t like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars Which is it? Can I be middle class and afford a supercar, or do I need to be upper class (being in the top 10% of earners) to be able to afford one? Because I'd love to hear an argument that "middle class" and "top 10%" are remotely the same that didn't make me laugh in your face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago 170k puts you in the to 10% If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol that’s a hellofalot of projection, but whatever helps you cope, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago 👌👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Whatever you say. I'm pretty sure you just don't like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars and don't have to sell their soul. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. I’m pretty sure you just don’t like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars Which is it? Can I be middle class and afford a supercar, or do I need to be upper class (being in the top 10% of earners) to be able to afford one? Because I'd love to hear an argument that "middle class" and "top 10%" are remotely the same that didn't make me laugh in your face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago 170k puts you in the to 10% If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol that’s a hellofalot of projection, but whatever helps you cope, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago 👌👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You only need to be in the top 5-10% of earners in the US to start to afford the cheaper super cars. I’m pretty sure you just don’t like the idea that middle class individuals can afford supercars Which is it? Can I be middle class and afford a supercar, or do I need to be upper class (being in the top 10% of earners) to be able to afford one? Because I'd love to hear an argument that "middle class" and "top 10%" are remotely the same that didn't make me laugh in your face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago 170k puts you in the to 10% If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago 170k puts you in the to 10% If you really can't do the math on how someone making 150 can make a cheap supercar when for them that's on you. It's clear you never once been to a meet or track day and are just making shit up as you go. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) lol that’s a hellofalot of projection, but whatever helps you cope, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago 👌👍 permalink fedilink source parent
