▲ 69 ▼ IDF: Hamas command center found under Gaza children’s hospital; hostages were likely held there (www.timesofisrael.com) submitted 2 years ago* by shatal@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 111 comments fedilink hide all child comments Some more raw footage https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1724169252054188276
[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then why did they lie about a calendar? What was the purpose of that exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm unfamiliar with that, can you share more info? What was the lie and how it was disproven? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Silverseren@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) At 5:35 in the video in OP's link. People who can read Arabic called them out for what was literally a calendar with days listed. The IDF officer in the video claims it's a list of signed names from each Hamas member for their shift of guarding the room. But there's no names on it, it's just a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) it's just a calendar I'm very skeptical of this claim right here. I didn't notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read: "For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7" I'm assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it's the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn't sound like a typical calendar. I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere. EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant "Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood", obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The top line says "Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23" but if you translate the rest of what's on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people's names on it which is a blatant lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar. I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) You're right, good catch. It's a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers. It'll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Occam's razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They've done it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn't speak fluent English and most likely doesn't speak fluent Arabic either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent [–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If they couldn't read it but claimed to know what it says then it's a lie, not just a mistake. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproven? It wasn’t proven in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproved in the context of the claims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven.  permalink fedilink source parent [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago I don't think you've even watched the video you linked permalink fedilink source parent
[+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm unfamiliar with that, can you share more info? What was the lie and how it was disproven? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Silverseren@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) At 5:35 in the video in OP's link. People who can read Arabic called them out for what was literally a calendar with days listed. The IDF officer in the video claims it's a list of signed names from each Hamas member for their shift of guarding the room. But there's no names on it, it's just a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) it's just a calendar I'm very skeptical of this claim right here. I didn't notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read: "For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7" I'm assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it's the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn't sound like a typical calendar. I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere. EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant "Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood", obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The top line says "Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23" but if you translate the rest of what's on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people's names on it which is a blatant lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar. I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) You're right, good catch. It's a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers. It'll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Occam's razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They've done it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn't speak fluent English and most likely doesn't speak fluent Arabic either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent [–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If they couldn't read it but claimed to know what it says then it's a lie, not just a mistake. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproven? It wasn’t proven in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproved in the context of the claims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven.  permalink fedilink source parent [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago I don't think you've even watched the video you linked permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (2 children) At 5:35 in the video in OP's link. People who can read Arabic called them out for what was literally a calendar with days listed. The IDF officer in the video claims it's a list of signed names from each Hamas member for their shift of guarding the room. But there's no names on it, it's just a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) it's just a calendar I'm very skeptical of this claim right here. I didn't notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read: "For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7" I'm assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it's the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn't sound like a typical calendar. I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere. EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant "Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood", obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The top line says "Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23" but if you translate the rest of what's on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people's names on it which is a blatant lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar. I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) You're right, good catch. It's a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers. It'll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Occam's razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They've done it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn't speak fluent English and most likely doesn't speak fluent Arabic either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent [–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If they couldn't read it but claimed to know what it says then it's a lie, not just a mistake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) it's just a calendar I'm very skeptical of this claim right here. I didn't notice anything specific in the calendar itself, but when I used Google translate, the top of the calendar read: "For the Battle of Toukan Al-Akher 10/23/7" I'm assuming the date is October 7, 2023 and it's the result of Google mistranslating from Arabic, but that doesn't sound like a typical calendar. I feel like people are trying to pretend the hostages were held nowhere. EDIT: I zoomed in and translated again. I think Toukan was Toufan and this meant "Battle of Al-Aqsa Flood", obviously in reference to the Al Aqsa mosque and using the terminology that Palestinians use to describe October 7th. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The top line says "Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23" but if you translate the rest of what's on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people's names on it which is a blatant lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar. I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The top line says "Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23" but if you translate the rest of what's on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people's names on it which is a blatant lie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar. I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I agree. I noticed the days and saw no names. He seems to be wrong about what it says, but people in this thread seem to be wrong about it just being some random calendar. I don't like to replace wrong information with wrong information. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean it is a random calendar with a specific day marked on it. That's pretty normal for a calendar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The day isn't "marked" like in a calendar cell. It's the title of the calendar. The days are crossed off with a yellow highlighter until November 3rd. From what I know, it's unclear why they stopped marking on that day. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) You're right, good catch. It's a very strange mistake to make on their part, I assume the IDF has many Arabic speakers. It'll be very interesting to see how everything else in the video will unfold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Occam's razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They've done it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn't speak fluent English and most likely doesn't speak fluent Arabic either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent [–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If they couldn't read it but claimed to know what it says then it's a lie, not just a mistake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago It’s a very strange mistake to make on their part No its not, its purposeful disinformation from a group trying to justify war crimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Occam's razor applies here, and so we look for the simplest, most likely explanation (going by past example). And that explanation is Israeli misinformation. They've done it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn't speak fluent English and most likely doesn't speak fluent Arabic either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Are you serious? The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? The person presenting the information doesn't speak fluent English and most likely doesn't speak fluent Arabic either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago The simplest explanation is misinformation and not an honest mistake or slip of the tongue? Considering that: 1-The Israeli government is notorious for using misinformation when it fits their purposes, 2-They have fluent Arabic speakers who could've easily checked the evidence, and 3-There's no way to mistake a calendar for a list of Hamas soldiers, the answer is yes. It's like if Russia was caught lying with faked evidence and then said "oh it was a mistake". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RubberStuntBaby@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If they couldn't read it but claimed to know what it says then it's a lie, not just a mistake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproven? It wasn’t proven in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproved in the context of the claims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven.  permalink fedilink source parent
[+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disproved in the context of the claims. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven.  permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago I understand what you meant. What I’m saying is that those claims would have to be proven before they can be disproven.  permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 years ago I don't think you've even watched the video you linked permalink fedilink source parent