▲ 69 ▼ IDF: Hamas command center found under Gaza children’s hospital; hostages were likely held there (www.timesofisrael.com) submitted 2 years ago* by shatal@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 111 comments fedilink hide all child comments Some more raw footage https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1724169252054188276
[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (4 children) We don't care what the IDF says. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] shatal@lemmy.world [S] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children) You probably should. Whether you agree or not, it's always a good idea to hear both sides, otherwise there's a good chance you'll end up in an echo chamber. If their story is fabricated it'll fall apart very quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly. It did. Look at the current top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago It falls apart while watching the video if you're not an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters. It will probably be more reliable than the top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I mean yeah true enough but I meant their evidence is beyond weak already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) No you should not. During wars in particular you need third party verification, you can't be so naive to believe anything from the parties involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The person you're replying to said nothing about believing it, that's an inference you've made. Cos they have made a good point, listening to one side only does cause an echo chamber effect. And I encourage everyone to read as much as they can from all aspects in matters like this, but draw your own conclusions. War isn't simple, it's complex, dirty, and downright deplorable. It's why so much study into past wars is undertaken, even those in recent memory that were well documented compared to ones that happened long ago. A lot can be learnt, be it statistically, economically, culturally etc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) As an addendum, if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle and usually nothing like what people actually had to experience. Honestly, what I see is much worse. Hamas stated they were going to use human shields and Israel hasn't given a fuck. War doesn't get any more sobering than that, to be honest. I listen to a metric fuck ton of propaganda and it takes a ton of work to sort through it all. (I am using the term "propaganda" in the context of strong bias, not necessarily misinformation.) One thing I can say, is that the second you get emotional about news from sources like this, you are becoming vulnerable to actual misinformation. Information warfare is real and just as dangerous as bullets, in some ways. Like I implied before, the actual truth to a story about war is probably much worse than people may think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle That's a fallacy, sometimes one or the other side is straight up wrong or lying and the other isn't. Probably not this time, but regardless it's important to keep in mind. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gila@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago There is an underground city in Gaza. Terrorists hide there. It would be strange under the circumstances for there not to be tunnels leading to/from the hospital. The IDF's claim is most likely true. The "other side" of the argument is not a rejection of this, it is to point out that these circumstances were manufactured by apartheid, and that they do not justify Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khalic@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago Who’s we? Are there more than one voices in your head? permalink fedilink source parent [+] drd@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago The US's claims related to this conflict are only slightly less worthless than Israel's. Remember the beheaded babies? permalink fedilink source parent [–] satan@r.nf 9 points 2 years ago* The country that has vested interest in the region and unanimously supports anything Israel does, checks notes backs Israel's claims No shit Sherlock. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago We know, at least some of us, that you won't give Israel a fair shake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shatal@lemmy.world [S] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children) You probably should. Whether you agree or not, it's always a good idea to hear both sides, otherwise there's a good chance you'll end up in an echo chamber. If their story is fabricated it'll fall apart very quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly. It did. Look at the current top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago It falls apart while watching the video if you're not an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters. It will probably be more reliable than the top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I mean yeah true enough but I meant their evidence is beyond weak already. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) No you should not. During wars in particular you need third party verification, you can't be so naive to believe anything from the parties involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The person you're replying to said nothing about believing it, that's an inference you've made. Cos they have made a good point, listening to one side only does cause an echo chamber effect. And I encourage everyone to read as much as they can from all aspects in matters like this, but draw your own conclusions. War isn't simple, it's complex, dirty, and downright deplorable. It's why so much study into past wars is undertaken, even those in recent memory that were well documented compared to ones that happened long ago. A lot can be learnt, be it statistically, economically, culturally etc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) As an addendum, if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle and usually nothing like what people actually had to experience. Honestly, what I see is much worse. Hamas stated they were going to use human shields and Israel hasn't given a fuck. War doesn't get any more sobering than that, to be honest. I listen to a metric fuck ton of propaganda and it takes a ton of work to sort through it all. (I am using the term "propaganda" in the context of strong bias, not necessarily misinformation.) One thing I can say, is that the second you get emotional about news from sources like this, you are becoming vulnerable to actual misinformation. Information warfare is real and just as dangerous as bullets, in some ways. Like I implied before, the actual truth to a story about war is probably much worse than people may think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle That's a fallacy, sometimes one or the other side is straight up wrong or lying and the other isn't. Probably not this time, but regardless it's important to keep in mind. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gila@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago There is an underground city in Gaza. Terrorists hide there. It would be strange under the circumstances for there not to be tunnels leading to/from the hospital. The IDF's claim is most likely true. The "other side" of the argument is not a rejection of this, it is to point out that these circumstances were manufactured by apartheid, and that they do not justify Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) If their story is fabricated it’ll fall apart very quickly. It did. Look at the current top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago It falls apart while watching the video if you're not an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent [+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters. It will probably be more reliable than the top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I mean yeah true enough but I meant their evidence is beyond weak already. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago It falls apart while watching the video if you're not an idiot. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] shatal@lemmy.world [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd rather wait for an official report from the UN or an investigative story from an unbiased news outlet like Reuters. It will probably be more reliable than the top comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I mean yeah true enough but I meant their evidence is beyond weak already. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I mean yeah true enough but I meant their evidence is beyond weak already. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) No you should not. During wars in particular you need third party verification, you can't be so naive to believe anything from the parties involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The person you're replying to said nothing about believing it, that's an inference you've made. Cos they have made a good point, listening to one side only does cause an echo chamber effect. And I encourage everyone to read as much as they can from all aspects in matters like this, but draw your own conclusions. War isn't simple, it's complex, dirty, and downright deplorable. It's why so much study into past wars is undertaken, even those in recent memory that were well documented compared to ones that happened long ago. A lot can be learnt, be it statistically, economically, culturally etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The person you're replying to said nothing about believing it, that's an inference you've made. Cos they have made a good point, listening to one side only does cause an echo chamber effect. And I encourage everyone to read as much as they can from all aspects in matters like this, but draw your own conclusions. War isn't simple, it's complex, dirty, and downright deplorable. It's why so much study into past wars is undertaken, even those in recent memory that were well documented compared to ones that happened long ago. A lot can be learnt, be it statistically, economically, culturally etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) As an addendum, if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle and usually nothing like what people actually had to experience. Honestly, what I see is much worse. Hamas stated they were going to use human shields and Israel hasn't given a fuck. War doesn't get any more sobering than that, to be honest. I listen to a metric fuck ton of propaganda and it takes a ton of work to sort through it all. (I am using the term "propaganda" in the context of strong bias, not necessarily misinformation.) One thing I can say, is that the second you get emotional about news from sources like this, you are becoming vulnerable to actual misinformation. Information warfare is real and just as dangerous as bullets, in some ways. Like I implied before, the actual truth to a story about war is probably much worse than people may think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle That's a fallacy, sometimes one or the other side is straight up wrong or lying and the other isn't. Probably not this time, but regardless it's important to keep in mind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago if you only hear two sides to a story, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle That's a fallacy, sometimes one or the other side is straight up wrong or lying and the other isn't. Probably not this time, but regardless it's important to keep in mind. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gila@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago There is an underground city in Gaza. Terrorists hide there. It would be strange under the circumstances for there not to be tunnels leading to/from the hospital. The IDF's claim is most likely true. The "other side" of the argument is not a rejection of this, it is to point out that these circumstances were manufactured by apartheid, and that they do not justify Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Khalic@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago Who’s we? Are there more than one voices in your head? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] drd@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago The US's claims related to this conflict are only slightly less worthless than Israel's. Remember the beheaded babies? permalink fedilink source parent [–] satan@r.nf 9 points 2 years ago* The country that has vested interest in the region and unanimously supports anything Israel does, checks notes backs Israel's claims No shit Sherlock. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago The US's claims related to this conflict are only slightly less worthless than Israel's. Remember the beheaded babies? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] satan@r.nf 9 points 2 years ago* The country that has vested interest in the region and unanimously supports anything Israel does, checks notes backs Israel's claims No shit Sherlock. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago We know, at least some of us, that you won't give Israel a fair shake. permalink fedilink source parent