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Perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs (www.theregister.com)
submitted 2 years ago by [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Perfectly legal for cars to harvest your texts, call logs::Just because they store messages in a way owners can't access doesn't mean it's a privacy violation, US court rules

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[–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

The thumbnail shows Apple CarPlay, but in my limited understanding of all this, the car wouldn’t have access to anything in that ecosystem. Situation still sucks though, but anyone know of my understanding is right? I heard it described as the car screen is just a glorified monitor for the phone.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You are correct, but it is also the most recognisable In Car Entertainment interface. If they used a stock photo of Android Auto, it would not be recognised. If they used a stock photo of MBUX or BMW iDrive or any of the hundreds of In Car Entertainment interfaces, they wouldn’t be recognised either.

    Also, Apple-bashing is the most effective clickbait, especially when it comes to violating privacy. By inferring that CarPlay was responsible for exploiting privacy, it attracts Apple Apologists, Android Apologists, both ignorant and educated technologists and the general public, especially after the amount of effort Apple put into protecting user privacy.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Any sauce to back up your words?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago*

    Straight from the horses mouth:

    https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

    Apple has a privacy policy that is not only easy to understand, but easily organised and with links to more details/etc - often small privacy features have entire white-papers published explaining how they work in detail. And all of it is thoroughly reviewed by third parties and Apple would be screwed (especially in countries that are not the USA) if they lied in their privacy policy.

    The key takeaway, though, is this (not my words - copied verbatim from the privacy policy):

    You are not required to provide the personal data that we have requested.

    The key is Apple always requests access to your data. And, you can simply say no when they ask.

    That might mean a feature won't be available - for example, if I leave my phone at a party... I'll get a message on my watch alerting me to go back and get it within a minute or so of leaving. That feature requires allowing your devices to track your location. I'm willing to do that, in part because Apple goes to extra lengths to hide the identity of the people they are tracking, but if you're not then fine with it, then don't enable the feature. It's disabled by default.

    CarPlay is essentially a HDMI connection. Your car doesn't get anything except a raw video signal and Apple forces car manufacturers to have their systems audited by a trusted third party which, among other things, will check to make sure the car isn't doing anything else with the data (such as OCR on the video signal).

    When you use CarPlay - it's your phone that has your texts, contacts, call log, etc. The car doesn't get any of that. You phone does.

    And if you don't want your phone to know where you are, it's disabled by default. You don't have to do turn by turn navigation in CarPlay - turn by turn is disabled by default (because enabling it requires tracking you) and you can just listen to podcasts and you can use a third party podcast app if you don't want apple to know what podcasts you listen to.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Regarding Apple and privacy? It’s well documented. Bing it. If you don’t want to, you didn’t feel like knowing more lol.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Except you made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. From my research, Apple doesn't give a shit about your privacy. They care just enough to pretend they do

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You have “done your own research”. It would be interesting to see your list of unverified anecdotes.

    My list of unverified anecdotes shows that Apple have engineered privacy into the core of all their systems, almost to a fault.

    If you don’t have backups of your data and have not disabled their default security features, you have no chance of restoring your data in the case of device failure. If you die and don’t give permission for your loved ones to access your data, that data is lost.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

    Here, we can be on the same page. No unverified anecdotes. Reading through this, I stand by my claim. Apple goes out of its way to say they care about your privacy, even in their privacy agreement over and over again. But the terms they list are pretty much exactly what you'll find in any legal document from any corporation that handles your data. It's up to them what they do with it, and they said it themselves.

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