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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (2 children) "Soss" is how we pronounce "sauce" and I don't know where you're finding the "r" sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) the "au" makes a sound like 'oar' like in "pause" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Wait.. if "sauce" is "sorse", how is "source" pronounced? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those are homophones. If I told you about the source of the Nile I could be talking about something Egyptians put on their chips. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) All occurrences of "au"? Audience? Cautious? Daughter? Or is there some kind of restraint like only if the proceeding consonant is hard or soft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have posted an audio clip up there ↑ in this very thread! All those examples are the same sounds to me. With how English spelling is, there are 'au' words I say differently (I say "because" like "b'cuzz"), but I can't think of any that would rhyme with cross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Exactly the same way. Sauce and source are the same for us in England. So to us, it's like OP is saying "criss cross apple source", which just sounds silly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the US, it really doesn't. The proper American phonetic for sauce is "saas". The proper american phonetic for cross is "craas". I think you MIGHT be able to defend it for British English, which use phonetics "kros" and "haws" and "saws" for above words. But I would say "aws" and "os" phonetics are close enough to to count as rhyming by most standards, and classical poetry uses far less clear rhymes commonly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I (Brit) didn't even recognise it as intended as a rhyme until I read this comment section permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) That's really interesting. I ran it through a british tts and it sounded closer than a lot of classic poetry rhymes.. Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. Run that string through an American English TTS, and you'll see exactly how perfect it rhymes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you check back on this thread, I've posted audio of how I say it. I think it's 'cross' that's really different - US doesn't really have that short o sound but has an 'aw' instead. If I say 'criss craws applesauce' then the intended rhyme makes itself clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* "Cross" is very short in British English dialects, meanwhile "sauce" is much closer to "source", to the point that they're almost indistinguishable. American English dialects tend to elongate the "ahh" sounds. Sauce: I used to speak in American, but now I speak in bastardised English where I trip off the path and whipe my ass on the grass, but no one ever knows how I might pronounce those words. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Have you ever been to Bristol? The way they pronounce "half" reminds me of American accents. Not "half" like the Queen's English, not "haff" like some places oop norff, but "haaaff" said with kind of a wide mouth. It perhaps makes sense, as Bristol was a port town that a lot of early immigrants to America started from. That and Scottish kids. I think they watch so much YouTube these days (particularly up in the middle of nowhere) that they pick up a twang of American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wanted to say something about the influence of West Indian immigrants on Bristol culture, but I don't know enough about it to be confident of not putting my foot in my mouth. It's an interesting place, for sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago sss-ahhw-ss permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) the "au" makes a sound like 'oar' like in "pause" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Wait.. if "sauce" is "sorse", how is "source" pronounced? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those are homophones. If I told you about the source of the Nile I could be talking about something Egyptians put on their chips. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) All occurrences of "au"? Audience? Cautious? Daughter? Or is there some kind of restraint like only if the proceeding consonant is hard or soft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have posted an audio clip up there ↑ in this very thread! All those examples are the same sounds to me. With how English spelling is, there are 'au' words I say differently (I say "because" like "b'cuzz"), but I can't think of any that would rhyme with cross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Exactly the same way. Sauce and source are the same for us in England. So to us, it's like OP is saying "criss cross apple source", which just sounds silly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the US, it really doesn't. The proper American phonetic for sauce is "saas". The proper american phonetic for cross is "craas". I think you MIGHT be able to defend it for British English, which use phonetics "kros" and "haws" and "saws" for above words. But I would say "aws" and "os" phonetics are close enough to to count as rhyming by most standards, and classical poetry uses far less clear rhymes commonly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I (Brit) didn't even recognise it as intended as a rhyme until I read this comment section permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) That's really interesting. I ran it through a british tts and it sounded closer than a lot of classic poetry rhymes.. Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. Run that string through an American English TTS, and you'll see exactly how perfect it rhymes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you check back on this thread, I've posted audio of how I say it. I think it's 'cross' that's really different - US doesn't really have that short o sound but has an 'aw' instead. If I say 'criss craws applesauce' then the intended rhyme makes itself clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* "Cross" is very short in British English dialects, meanwhile "sauce" is much closer to "source", to the point that they're almost indistinguishable. American English dialects tend to elongate the "ahh" sounds. Sauce: I used to speak in American, but now I speak in bastardised English where I trip off the path and whipe my ass on the grass, but no one ever knows how I might pronounce those words. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Have you ever been to Bristol? The way they pronounce "half" reminds me of American accents. Not "half" like the Queen's English, not "haff" like some places oop norff, but "haaaff" said with kind of a wide mouth. It perhaps makes sense, as Bristol was a port town that a lot of early immigrants to America started from. That and Scottish kids. I think they watch so much YouTube these days (particularly up in the middle of nowhere) that they pick up a twang of American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wanted to say something about the influence of West Indian immigrants on Bristol culture, but I don't know enough about it to be confident of not putting my foot in my mouth. It's an interesting place, for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Wait.. if "sauce" is "sorse", how is "source" pronounced? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those are homophones. If I told you about the source of the Nile I could be talking about something Egyptians put on their chips. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) All occurrences of "au"? Audience? Cautious? Daughter? Or is there some kind of restraint like only if the proceeding consonant is hard or soft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have posted an audio clip up there ↑ in this very thread! All those examples are the same sounds to me. With how English spelling is, there are 'au' words I say differently (I say "because" like "b'cuzz"), but I can't think of any that would rhyme with cross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Exactly the same way. Sauce and source are the same for us in England. So to us, it's like OP is saying "criss cross apple source", which just sounds silly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Those are homophones. If I told you about the source of the Nile I could be talking about something Egyptians put on their chips. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) All occurrences of "au"? Audience? Cautious? Daughter? Or is there some kind of restraint like only if the proceeding consonant is hard or soft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have posted an audio clip up there ↑ in this very thread! All those examples are the same sounds to me. With how English spelling is, there are 'au' words I say differently (I say "because" like "b'cuzz"), but I can't think of any that would rhyme with cross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) All occurrences of "au"? Audience? Cautious? Daughter? Or is there some kind of restraint like only if the proceeding consonant is hard or soft? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have posted an audio clip up there ↑ in this very thread! All those examples are the same sounds to me. With how English spelling is, there are 'au' words I say differently (I say "because" like "b'cuzz"), but I can't think of any that would rhyme with cross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I have posted an audio clip up there ↑ in this very thread! All those examples are the same sounds to me. With how English spelling is, there are 'au' words I say differently (I say "because" like "b'cuzz"), but I can't think of any that would rhyme with cross permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've also heard giraffe pronounced "girarffe" by a Brit. (Or at least implied since it was rhymed with "scarf" in a Julie Donaldson book.) Maybe there's some rule regarding "R" sounds on the ends of certain vowel sounds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Aha! You have discovered the non-rhotic accent. Most, but not all Brits (along with Aussies and some rural Americans) do not usually sound out r's unless they're followed by a vowel. In my northern England accent, giraffe and scarf have different a sounds, but also scarf has no audible r. I'd guess Julia Donaldson speaks more Southern or RP so giraffe would rhyme with scarf would rhyme with half. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Aww, you silly Brits. My buddy (we're from Canada) went to Australia for some time. He was a smoker, and lived with a bunch of other smokers. In Canada, if you want to ask someone for a smoke, you say "Can I bum a smoke?". In Australia, it's "Can I get a fag?" In the spirit of international cooperation, the expression soon became: "Can I bum a fag?" Much maturity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That's not an English thing that's an "English" thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I thought about this a little and I agree that I don't think there's any English words other than "because" that have the ɒ sound for "au". They're basically all ɔː. You can look up the pronunciations for those symbols by searching for "IPA English". It helps for describing vocal sounds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Exactly the same way. Sauce and source are the same for us in England. So to us, it's like OP is saying "criss cross apple source", which just sounds silly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In the US, it really doesn't. The proper American phonetic for sauce is "saas". The proper american phonetic for cross is "craas". I think you MIGHT be able to defend it for British English, which use phonetics "kros" and "haws" and "saws" for above words. But I would say "aws" and "os" phonetics are close enough to to count as rhyming by most standards, and classical poetry uses far less clear rhymes commonly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I (Brit) didn't even recognise it as intended as a rhyme until I read this comment section permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) That's really interesting. I ran it through a british tts and it sounded closer than a lot of classic poetry rhymes.. Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. Run that string through an American English TTS, and you'll see exactly how perfect it rhymes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you check back on this thread, I've posted audio of how I say it. I think it's 'cross' that's really different - US doesn't really have that short o sound but has an 'aw' instead. If I say 'criss craws applesauce' then the intended rhyme makes itself clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* "Cross" is very short in British English dialects, meanwhile "sauce" is much closer to "source", to the point that they're almost indistinguishable. American English dialects tend to elongate the "ahh" sounds. Sauce: I used to speak in American, but now I speak in bastardised English where I trip off the path and whipe my ass on the grass, but no one ever knows how I might pronounce those words. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Have you ever been to Bristol? The way they pronounce "half" reminds me of American accents. Not "half" like the Queen's English, not "haff" like some places oop norff, but "haaaff" said with kind of a wide mouth. It perhaps makes sense, as Bristol was a port town that a lot of early immigrants to America started from. That and Scottish kids. I think they watch so much YouTube these days (particularly up in the middle of nowhere) that they pick up a twang of American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wanted to say something about the influence of West Indian immigrants on Bristol culture, but I don't know enough about it to be confident of not putting my foot in my mouth. It's an interesting place, for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I (Brit) didn't even recognise it as intended as a rhyme until I read this comment section permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) That's really interesting. I ran it through a british tts and it sounded closer than a lot of classic poetry rhymes.. Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. Run that string through an American English TTS, and you'll see exactly how perfect it rhymes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you check back on this thread, I've posted audio of how I say it. I think it's 'cross' that's really different - US doesn't really have that short o sound but has an 'aw' instead. If I say 'criss craws applesauce' then the intended rhyme makes itself clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* "Cross" is very short in British English dialects, meanwhile "sauce" is much closer to "source", to the point that they're almost indistinguishable. American English dialects tend to elongate the "ahh" sounds. Sauce: I used to speak in American, but now I speak in bastardised English where I trip off the path and whipe my ass on the grass, but no one ever knows how I might pronounce those words. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Have you ever been to Bristol? The way they pronounce "half" reminds me of American accents. Not "half" like the Queen's English, not "haff" like some places oop norff, but "haaaff" said with kind of a wide mouth. It perhaps makes sense, as Bristol was a port town that a lot of early immigrants to America started from. That and Scottish kids. I think they watch so much YouTube these days (particularly up in the middle of nowhere) that they pick up a twang of American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wanted to say something about the influence of West Indian immigrants on Bristol culture, but I don't know enough about it to be confident of not putting my foot in my mouth. It's an interesting place, for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) That's really interesting. I ran it through a british tts and it sounded closer than a lot of classic poetry rhymes.. Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar. Run that string through an American English TTS, and you'll see exactly how perfect it rhymes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you check back on this thread, I've posted audio of how I say it. I think it's 'cross' that's really different - US doesn't really have that short o sound but has an 'aw' instead. If I say 'criss craws applesauce' then the intended rhyme makes itself clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* "Cross" is very short in British English dialects, meanwhile "sauce" is much closer to "source", to the point that they're almost indistinguishable. American English dialects tend to elongate the "ahh" sounds. Sauce: I used to speak in American, but now I speak in bastardised English where I trip off the path and whipe my ass on the grass, but no one ever knows how I might pronounce those words. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago If you check back on this thread, I've posted audio of how I say it. I think it's 'cross' that's really different - US doesn't really have that short o sound but has an 'aw' instead. If I say 'criss craws applesauce' then the intended rhyme makes itself clear. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* "Cross" is very short in British English dialects, meanwhile "sauce" is much closer to "source", to the point that they're almost indistinguishable. American English dialects tend to elongate the "ahh" sounds. Sauce: I used to speak in American, but now I speak in bastardised English where I trip off the path and whipe my ass on the grass, but no one ever knows how I might pronounce those words. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Have you ever been to Bristol? The way they pronounce "half" reminds me of American accents. Not "half" like the Queen's English, not "haff" like some places oop norff, but "haaaff" said with kind of a wide mouth. It perhaps makes sense, as Bristol was a port town that a lot of early immigrants to America started from. That and Scottish kids. I think they watch so much YouTube these days (particularly up in the middle of nowhere) that they pick up a twang of American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wanted to say something about the influence of West Indian immigrants on Bristol culture, but I don't know enough about it to be confident of not putting my foot in my mouth. It's an interesting place, for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I wanted to say something about the influence of West Indian immigrants on Bristol culture, but I don't know enough about it to be confident of not putting my foot in my mouth. It's an interesting place, for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
