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This community supports labor, with an aspiration for it to cease to be required to live our lives. Members of this community want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and/or want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

There's no such thing as unskilled labor. I guarantee you that dude is better than you are at packing boxes. That's known as "skill"

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[–] BurnSquirrel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

There is definitely such a thing as jobs that take lots of book learning and tests to get, and jobs anyone can get by applying for them. This semantic fight of "No such thing as unskilled labor" is just going to make people call it something new and politically correct, but it won't change reality.

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[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago

It's not semantics, it's just refusing to use an inaccurate name. Just because anyone can get a job doesn't mean anyone can excel at it. Why are you suggesting we should all consent to the lie that unskilled labor exists?

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[–] stella@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Skilled labor is something that you need outside training in order to do.

When someone is an 'unskilled worker,' it means they're only eligible for positions that train them.

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[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Nevertheless, a worker who has been trained is a worker who has become skilled.

A worker who has been trained on a job site is worker who has become skilled in work at the job site.

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[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago

When one has spent half a day learning to pack boxes, then a week learning to do it quick enough, I'll grant they have acquired a skill. Probably not a transferable skill, but definitely a skill

It's still unskilled work

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[–] mayoi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

Name one thing that doesn't require outside skill. Literally nothing you know in your life you learned on your own.

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[–] stella@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (42 children)

I'm not saying you're wrong, just what people intend to mean when they say unskilled labor.

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[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 years ago

Packing boxes, unless you mean "outside training" to include walking and talking

It's unskilled in terms that any moderately competent person can do the job and become proficient at it quickly

My skilled job required tertiary education, plus about two years on the job for a person to become good at it

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

If you can master it in a week it isn't a skill. You are redefining the word to make it so broad it is useless to make some ideological point. Also given what I see with Amazon boxes I doubt they can in fact pack better than I can.

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[–] Thief_of_Crows@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

That would require lasting a week at Amazon. Anyone who does that is indisputably skilled.

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[+] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

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