▲ 413 ▼ Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by snek@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments Israeli PM said to have turned down proposal in early talks and continues to take tough line
[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The Zionists I’m talking about funded and propped up Hamas. Likud is not younger than Hamas. You seem to have a very limited understanding of this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, maybe, you're right I have only spent a few hours looking into the origin and spread of Hamas. But whether Hamas was funded by Zionists is irrelevant to whether their use of violence creates more or less suffering overall. In response to the original question, I think Hamas is causing much more harm and suffering to the people of Gaza by their excessive violence than diplomatic efforts likely would have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But why shift it on Hamas when it's Israel breaking every humanitarian law? I'm asking seriously. Whatever response Hamas expected, I'm not sure it included bombing every single hospital or it's vicinity in one night (which happened already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Because the question was about Hamas not Israel. And Hamas actually benefits from an overreaction from Israel, since it will further radicalize the population, giving more credence to their stance of violence. So they may well have been hoping for exactly the response they are getting. But the issue is in so violently pushing for a maximalist dissolution of Israel goal, they gave up their chance at achieving independence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, maybe, you're right I have only spent a few hours looking into the origin and spread of Hamas. But whether Hamas was funded by Zionists is irrelevant to whether their use of violence creates more or less suffering overall. In response to the original question, I think Hamas is causing much more harm and suffering to the people of Gaza by their excessive violence than diplomatic efforts likely would have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But why shift it on Hamas when it's Israel breaking every humanitarian law? I'm asking seriously. Whatever response Hamas expected, I'm not sure it included bombing every single hospital or it's vicinity in one night (which happened already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Because the question was about Hamas not Israel. And Hamas actually benefits from an overreaction from Israel, since it will further radicalize the population, giving more credence to their stance of violence. So they may well have been hoping for exactly the response they are getting. But the issue is in so violently pushing for a maximalist dissolution of Israel goal, they gave up their chance at achieving independence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But why shift it on Hamas when it's Israel breaking every humanitarian law? I'm asking seriously. Whatever response Hamas expected, I'm not sure it included bombing every single hospital or it's vicinity in one night (which happened already) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Because the question was about Hamas not Israel. And Hamas actually benefits from an overreaction from Israel, since it will further radicalize the population, giving more credence to their stance of violence. So they may well have been hoping for exactly the response they are getting. But the issue is in so violently pushing for a maximalist dissolution of Israel goal, they gave up their chance at achieving independence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Because the question was about Hamas not Israel. And Hamas actually benefits from an overreaction from Israel, since it will further radicalize the population, giving more credence to their stance of violence. So they may well have been hoping for exactly the response they are getting. But the issue is in so violently pushing for a maximalist dissolution of Israel goal, they gave up their chance at achieving independence. permalink fedilink source parent