▲ 413 ▼ Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by snek@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments Israeli PM said to have turned down proposal in early talks and continues to take tough line
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) A two-state solution was viable before Israel settled people in the middle of the west bank. As an intentional tactic of Zionist settlers, it is now impossible to have a defensible border. The only way forward now is to end apartheid and give full rights to the civilians living in the West Bank and Gaza. Zionists will claim this “destroys Israel” or other nonsense we heard from South African defenders of apartheid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Didn't Israel remove all Gaza settlements in 2005? Seems like they could do the same for the West Bank. And why would that be needed for an independent Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago Israeli Zionists would rather genocide Palestinians than give up their West Bank settlements. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would also be in favor of ending racist government policies and giving full rights and protections to Palestinians, but that is really difficult with the terrorist actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's saying "the beatings will continue until morale improves". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's an escalation ladder, both sides need to deescalate together to lower hostilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Saying “both sides” is siding with the oppressor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But they're literally both oppressors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Didn't Israel remove all Gaza settlements in 2005? Seems like they could do the same for the West Bank. And why would that be needed for an independent Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago Israeli Zionists would rather genocide Palestinians than give up their West Bank settlements. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago Israeli Zionists would rather genocide Palestinians than give up their West Bank settlements. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would also be in favor of ending racist government policies and giving full rights and protections to Palestinians, but that is really difficult with the terrorist actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's saying "the beatings will continue until morale improves". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's an escalation ladder, both sides need to deescalate together to lower hostilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Saying “both sides” is siding with the oppressor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But they're literally both oppressors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's saying "the beatings will continue until morale improves". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's an escalation ladder, both sides need to deescalate together to lower hostilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Saying “both sides” is siding with the oppressor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But they're literally both oppressors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's an escalation ladder, both sides need to deescalate together to lower hostilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Saying “both sides” is siding with the oppressor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But they're literally both oppressors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Saying “both sides” is siding with the oppressor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But they're literally both oppressors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But they're literally both oppressors permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) GTFO with false equivalence between a democratically elected government with nuclear weapons, backed by the USA, and the terrorist band they’re propping up as a preferred enemy to undercut peaceful leadership. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] snek@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You're also against Hamas? Cool, we agree. Seemed like the original comment was defending their use of violence. I by no means support Israel or what it's doing to the Palestinians. But Hamas is pretty terrible. I agree the peaceful leadership was undercut. What I was trying to say was that that leadership was better and likely to incur less Palistinian death and suffering than Hamas and it's 'violence is the only answer' stance. permalink fedilink source parent