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[–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

The meme makes fun of a post that compares capitalism to cancer by saying "all life is about limitless growth, not just cancer". This is wrong. Life "knows" its limits. Capitalism doesn't, neither does cancer

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The only limit to life is the available resources, same with cancer, same with capitalism.

    Life will continue until it ends or consumes the universe, just like cancer does with a human body, or a capitalist does to a society.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Life reaches a balance. Most parasites don't kill their host and even if they do, they won't kill the whole population which would kill the parasite itself. Cancer does exactly that. It kills just one individual but can't spread to others so it destroys its whole basis of being (since it's not a parasite).

    Capitalism is on its way to do exactly that. It spreads over the world, exploiting resources beyond repair and just moves on. It expects exponential growth for some reason and that isn't sustainable. Life doesn't do that.

    You can disagree but don't call me illiterate. I'm trying to keep calm and civil but if you don't understand my points, maybe you are stupid, not me.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Life reaches a balance.

    I made a graphic in paint because I didn't have any crayons for you.

    Feel free to replace Total Universal Resources, for "Human health" when dealing with cancer. Works as is for capitalism. as it does for life. As per the point of the OP.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    What about a straight line? Do you know anything about ecosystems? There are sustainable ecosystems, obviously not for eternity but for much longer than capitalism exists

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    obviously not for eternity

    Hence the point. They really need to boost universal education funding.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    What is the point? The original post talks about limitless for still the universe will end at some point so it's not eternity put "just" much longer than humans can imagine? That doesn't change anything about the capitalism critics of the original post OP makes fun of

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    So what limit does life know about time? Or will it continue for eternity?

    Also might want to look up that latin phrase, I didn't put it there because it sounded like a fancy spell, it's a legitimate train of philosophical thought that you obviously have no comprehension of.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You know the difference between existing and growing, do you? You can continue to exist for eternity without growing. A stone doesn't grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn't grow but exists (potentially) for eternity. Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

    This is a simplification, so is the original post. You can disagree with it and with me, but don't call me illiterate. I try to keep calm and civil but if you don't understand my points, maybe you are stupid not me.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You can continue to exist for eternity without growing.

    Object can, life can't. Life is the subject matter.

    A stone doesn't grow, neither does a forest necessarily even though the trees do until they die. So each tree grows but not for eternity, and the forest doesn't grow but exists (potentially) for eternity.

    Yes.

    Capitalism would want the tree to grow eternity.

    No. Capitalism wants to grow from the limited resources of the tree for eternity.

    Just like cancer wants to grow from the limited resources in your body for eternity.

    Just like life wants to grow from the universes limited resources until eternity.

    All inevitably unsustainable.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just like life wants to grow from the universes limited resources until eternity.

    That's not the same since life stops growing at some point like I stop trying to explain simple facts to you at this point. I rather read a book than discuss with trolls. But like capitalism, I should have stopped earlier.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yes, life stops growing when the resources run out. Just like capitalism, just like cancer.

    The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, second best time is now. Go plant the seeds of a better education. Have a good life.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I say it one more time: capitalist models expect limitless growth. That's the problem since there is no limitless growth. It is this discrepancy of expectation and reality that makes capitalism so destructive.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So you agree that we need an economic and social system that doesn't? Your pedantry that life isn't eternal is way beyond the point since for all intents and purposes, it is as good as eternal

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    So you agree that we need an economic and social system that doesn't?

    Yes.

    Your pedantry that life isn't eternal is way beyond the point since for all intents and purposes, it is as good as eternal

    Holy fucking shit, you got it! You got the point!

    Reductio ad absurdum

    To reduce to absurdity.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    So you make fun of the guy changing capitalism to life? Sorry, I misread it.

    But even then you should read a book. Many people compare capitalism to nature since Darwin and stuff. That's not reductio ad absurdum but a naturalistic fallacy. That's why I didn't get your point.

    That makes your meme a strawman since you attack something that no one said. The argument is "capitalism is natural" not "all life will end eventually".

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    That makes your meme a strawman since you attack something that no one said.

    Impossible, that's literally exactly what I did. I edited someone else's comment in a way that points out the shaky logic it's built on. There is no way to be any less of a strawman.

    That's not reductio ad absurdum but a naturalistic fallacy.

    No it's not, go read.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

    And stop incorrectly using the word strawman. You made so much progress, don't regress now that you've reached your next misunderstanding.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I thought you made the "capitalism to life"-change to point out that not only capitalism but all life will end eventually so it's ok.

    And stop incorrectly using the word strawman.

    Well, wikipedia says:

    A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.

    That's what you did. The argument was "capitalism (and growth) is natural" and you made it into "life isn't limitless because there is no eternity" and you're still not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. The former is a common argument, the latter is just stupid.

    You made so much progress, don't regress now that you've reached your next misunderstanding.

    Don't talk down to me! Try to understand my point or fuck off!

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    “capitalism (and growth) is natural”

    Where is this ever stated or implied?

    Don’t talk down to me! Try to understand my point or fuck off!

    It's not my comprehension that's lacking. So as you say:

    Try to understand my point or fuck off!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I've tried to explain you why I misunderstood you and where you are wrong but you're just being a dick. Go fuck yourself

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I've tried to explain you why I misunderstood you and where you are wrong. I still misunderstand you but now I just want to tell you you're wrong because I lack the capacity for self reflection and my capacity for cognizance has slipped and I'm left with nothing but ignorance and belligerence to throw, just being a dick. Go fuck yourself.

    Ftfy.

    When you decide you want to return to developing understanding I'll be awaiting your questions, not your statements.

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