▲ 2190 ▼ Capitalism is killing our planet (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by Grayox@lemmy.ml to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world 460 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) the private ownership of the means of production You recognize how that itself is a concentration of power, right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HardNut@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, disunited private actors are not a concentration of power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you own the source of wealth, you can buy more in a positive feedback loop, thus concentrating wealth and therefore power. Them being private actors means they are accountable to nobody. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I feel like you are both arguing different things. The simple fact of ownership isn't the concentration of power, it's the fact that we don't put limits on that ownership that causes concentration of power. People always argue for or against systems by taking those systems to their absolutes instead of arguing how they should be in practice. If we put a high tax on anyone with a high net worth, high yearly earnings, high estate value, etc., and also take anti-trust laws seriously, then we can largely solve much of that and still operate under capitalism. The problem is more how we are currently operating under capitalism more than capitalism itself, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] HardNut@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, disunited private actors are not a concentration of power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you own the source of wealth, you can buy more in a positive feedback loop, thus concentrating wealth and therefore power. Them being private actors means they are accountable to nobody. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I feel like you are both arguing different things. The simple fact of ownership isn't the concentration of power, it's the fact that we don't put limits on that ownership that causes concentration of power. People always argue for or against systems by taking those systems to their absolutes instead of arguing how they should be in practice. If we put a high tax on anyone with a high net worth, high yearly earnings, high estate value, etc., and also take anti-trust laws seriously, then we can largely solve much of that and still operate under capitalism. The problem is more how we are currently operating under capitalism more than capitalism itself, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you own the source of wealth, you can buy more in a positive feedback loop, thus concentrating wealth and therefore power. Them being private actors means they are accountable to nobody. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I feel like you are both arguing different things. The simple fact of ownership isn't the concentration of power, it's the fact that we don't put limits on that ownership that causes concentration of power. People always argue for or against systems by taking those systems to their absolutes instead of arguing how they should be in practice. If we put a high tax on anyone with a high net worth, high yearly earnings, high estate value, etc., and also take anti-trust laws seriously, then we can largely solve much of that and still operate under capitalism. The problem is more how we are currently operating under capitalism more than capitalism itself, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I feel like you are both arguing different things. The simple fact of ownership isn't the concentration of power, it's the fact that we don't put limits on that ownership that causes concentration of power. People always argue for or against systems by taking those systems to their absolutes instead of arguing how they should be in practice. If we put a high tax on anyone with a high net worth, high yearly earnings, high estate value, etc., and also take anti-trust laws seriously, then we can largely solve much of that and still operate under capitalism. The problem is more how we are currently operating under capitalism more than capitalism itself, imo. permalink fedilink source parent