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Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people (www.reuters.com)
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  • Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
  • The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
  • U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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[–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

No, that's the perspective of anyone with common sense.

You don't negotiate for peace with some that occupies you and wants to give you a smaller piece of your land.

Did you expect the native Americans to just give away their land?

Do you expect Ukraine to give away their land? If Russia won their war on Ukraine, will the world be like "Heh, they won, Ukraine in Russian now."? The answer is no.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    You don’t negotiate for peace with some that occupies you and wants to give you a smaller piece of your land.

    Then current trends will continue and they will likely end up with less and less until they have nothing. Palestine has no viable path to military victory, it takes more than outrage to win wars. One ignores the realpolitik of their situation at their own peril.

    Did you expect the native Americans to just give away their land?

    They lost their ancestral lands and have since pacified themselves, because war with the US is unwinnable. Today they have freedom of movement, freedom of return, and full US citizenship. Compare this to how Gaza is faring today.

    Do you expect Ukraine to give away their land?

    Ukraine still has a viable path to conventional military victory against Russia.

    If Russia won their war on Ukraine, will the world be like “Heh, they won, Ukraine in Russian now.”? The answer is no.

    They would eventually do exactly this, but I think Ukraine will win. Borders have changed massively throughout human history and eventually the new ones get recognized, because most countries don't ignore the realpolitik of one's situation like Palestine has.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Israeli settlers already kill Palestinians and steal their land, there's no peace with Israel.

    It seems like you suggest people should not fight for their freedom and land and should just give up. That's a very cowardly point of view.

    And yeah obviously Ukraine can still win, because the entire world is helping them, the world is also helps Israel and turns a blind on the massacres happening in Palestine.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Israeli settlers already kill Palestinians and steal their land, there’s no peace with Israel.

    Sounds like Hamas, look what that way of thinking is getting them.

    It seems like you suggest people should not fight for their freedom and land and should just give up.

    As a general rule, no. When said people don't have a viable path to victory through combat, yes.
    The reason they don't have freedom? All the fighting.
    The reason they are have lost and continue to lose land? All the fighting.

    obviously Ukraine can still win, because the entire world is helping them, the world is also helps Israel and turns a blind on the massacres happening in Palestine.

    It's almost like Ukraine and Palestine are wildly different and don't behave in similar ways or have similar motivations. Ukraine, like Israel, is fighting for its safety from a hostile enemy that is unwilling to make viable compromises. If they were slaughtering and kidnapping civilians and parading them around Kiev, and had been launching guerilla attacks on, say, Poland, for the last century we might not be supporting them.

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