▲ 1040 ▼ Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an “Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery” (theintercept.com) submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/politics@lemmy.world 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments According to the former president, Americans are now experiencing "a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors."
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 2 years ago (3 children) correct and idc but he was the last decent american president permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HoagieBoy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If by decent you mean "person" then dammit he's been one of the greatest presidents/people. If you mean politically, I don't think he was meant for that game. I think you need a certain level of narcissism and desire to F over regular people for the benefit of the elites. He was lacking that. What he DID do, that no one can take away from his accomplishments, is he legalized home brewing which is why American beer is now good and not crap like it was before. These home brewers became the microbrewers, which is why we have what we have now. That God for Jimmy Carter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Man expanded parks and increased EPA (I think, on that second one, not positive), and gave the office and the position of retired president the most prestige and honor through his actions and commitment to the people of this country than it's seen in some time. Jimmy is a role model. I pray his life is as wholesome as we believe because if that man is secretly corrupt then I may lose a lion's share of my hope. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was the last 100% decent US president, there has been a few mostly decent IMO. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I guess Joe Biden is mostly decent too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know about Clinton. Guy was a sex pest who hung out with Epstein. Obama and Biden are probably decent by politician standards, with both of them earning most of their money through books, salaries, and government bonds. Biden was famously poor for a Senator. While they themselves aren't directly invested in big business and got most of their money from Labor rather than capital, they were still at the mercy of wealthy interests. They wouldn't have been able to raise money for their campaigns or had influence in Washington without their moderate views. They overall want to support the welfare state and regulate the worst effects of capitalism, but they're pragmatic to a fault, stuck in the neoliberal mindset of the 80s and 90s, where welfare was a dirty word. They fully buy into the American mythos of hardwork paying off and meritocracy. They believe capitalism serves Americans best, but fail to realize just how much of that service was thanks to unions and limits on business. Of course they support the American nationalism and imperialism that has contributed to many of our current problems, but they are better than Republicans. Most of their decisions are cold and evil, favoring selfish US interests, but Republicans are on a different level. They do unnecessarily cruel shit, even when it isn't the most prudent thing for America. They fuck over everybody, including Americans, so long as it helps right wingers gain power. By the time Trump came along, they weren't even serving the interests of the businesses that support them. They favor ludicrous ideas like blanket import tariffs or wars with Mexico that hurt regular people and business alike, but cynically help the party. Thanks to the leftward shift of Democratic fiscal policy from neoliberalism to standard liberalism, the don't need to work as hard to be preferable to Democrats for rich people. They can make a few shitty economic decisions so long as they deregulate and privatize hard enough. Fuck, another essay. Oh well. Biden and Obama believe they're doing right by their country, even if they're wrong, while Republicans only want to benefit themselves, and Trump only cares for Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You’re trotting out Biden as an example of “decent president” in a thread about blatant political corruption and the willingness of politicians to sell Americans out for money? Bold strategy, Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him permalink fedilink source parent [+] tpihkal@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't be a boot licker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Don't be cringe permalink fedilink source parent [–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter if he was decent or not, doesn't it? If we give him the benefit of the doubt (which I don't - Carter is a war criminal just like the rest of them), it means he spent eight years in the Waffle House without being able to fix any of it. That speaks volumes as to how the political establishment in the US actually works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years. He lost reelection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh, right... I forgot about that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HoagieBoy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) If by decent you mean "person" then dammit he's been one of the greatest presidents/people. If you mean politically, I don't think he was meant for that game. I think you need a certain level of narcissism and desire to F over regular people for the benefit of the elites. He was lacking that. What he DID do, that no one can take away from his accomplishments, is he legalized home brewing which is why American beer is now good and not crap like it was before. These home brewers became the microbrewers, which is why we have what we have now. That God for Jimmy Carter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Man expanded parks and increased EPA (I think, on that second one, not positive), and gave the office and the position of retired president the most prestige and honor through his actions and commitment to the people of this country than it's seen in some time. Jimmy is a role model. I pray his life is as wholesome as we believe because if that man is secretly corrupt then I may lose a lion's share of my hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Man expanded parks and increased EPA (I think, on that second one, not positive), and gave the office and the position of retired president the most prestige and honor through his actions and commitment to the people of this country than it's seen in some time. Jimmy is a role model. I pray his life is as wholesome as we believe because if that man is secretly corrupt then I may lose a lion's share of my hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was the last 100% decent US president, there has been a few mostly decent IMO. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. I guess Joe Biden is mostly decent too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know about Clinton. Guy was a sex pest who hung out with Epstein. Obama and Biden are probably decent by politician standards, with both of them earning most of their money through books, salaries, and government bonds. Biden was famously poor for a Senator. While they themselves aren't directly invested in big business and got most of their money from Labor rather than capital, they were still at the mercy of wealthy interests. They wouldn't have been able to raise money for their campaigns or had influence in Washington without their moderate views. They overall want to support the welfare state and regulate the worst effects of capitalism, but they're pragmatic to a fault, stuck in the neoliberal mindset of the 80s and 90s, where welfare was a dirty word. They fully buy into the American mythos of hardwork paying off and meritocracy. They believe capitalism serves Americans best, but fail to realize just how much of that service was thanks to unions and limits on business. Of course they support the American nationalism and imperialism that has contributed to many of our current problems, but they are better than Republicans. Most of their decisions are cold and evil, favoring selfish US interests, but Republicans are on a different level. They do unnecessarily cruel shit, even when it isn't the most prudent thing for America. They fuck over everybody, including Americans, so long as it helps right wingers gain power. By the time Trump came along, they weren't even serving the interests of the businesses that support them. They favor ludicrous ideas like blanket import tariffs or wars with Mexico that hurt regular people and business alike, but cynically help the party. Thanks to the leftward shift of Democratic fiscal policy from neoliberalism to standard liberalism, the don't need to work as hard to be preferable to Democrats for rich people. They can make a few shitty economic decisions so long as they deregulate and privatize hard enough. Fuck, another essay. Oh well. Biden and Obama believe they're doing right by their country, even if they're wrong, while Republicans only want to benefit themselves, and Trump only cares for Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You’re trotting out Biden as an example of “decent president” in a thread about blatant political corruption and the willingness of politicians to sell Americans out for money? Bold strategy, Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him permalink fedilink source parent [+] tpihkal@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't be a boot licker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Don't be cringe permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I don't know about Clinton. Guy was a sex pest who hung out with Epstein. Obama and Biden are probably decent by politician standards, with both of them earning most of their money through books, salaries, and government bonds. Biden was famously poor for a Senator. While they themselves aren't directly invested in big business and got most of their money from Labor rather than capital, they were still at the mercy of wealthy interests. They wouldn't have been able to raise money for their campaigns or had influence in Washington without their moderate views. They overall want to support the welfare state and regulate the worst effects of capitalism, but they're pragmatic to a fault, stuck in the neoliberal mindset of the 80s and 90s, where welfare was a dirty word. They fully buy into the American mythos of hardwork paying off and meritocracy. They believe capitalism serves Americans best, but fail to realize just how much of that service was thanks to unions and limits on business. Of course they support the American nationalism and imperialism that has contributed to many of our current problems, but they are better than Republicans. Most of their decisions are cold and evil, favoring selfish US interests, but Republicans are on a different level. They do unnecessarily cruel shit, even when it isn't the most prudent thing for America. They fuck over everybody, including Americans, so long as it helps right wingers gain power. By the time Trump came along, they weren't even serving the interests of the businesses that support them. They favor ludicrous ideas like blanket import tariffs or wars with Mexico that hurt regular people and business alike, but cynically help the party. Thanks to the leftward shift of Democratic fiscal policy from neoliberalism to standard liberalism, the don't need to work as hard to be preferable to Democrats for rich people. They can make a few shitty economic decisions so long as they deregulate and privatize hard enough. Fuck, another essay. Oh well. Biden and Obama believe they're doing right by their country, even if they're wrong, while Republicans only want to benefit themselves, and Trump only cares for Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You’re trotting out Biden as an example of “decent president” in a thread about blatant political corruption and the willingness of politicians to sell Americans out for money? Bold strategy, Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You’re trotting out Biden as an example of “decent president” in a thread about blatant political corruption and the willingness of politicians to sell Americans out for money? Bold strategy, Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him permalink fedilink source parent
[+] tpihkal@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't be a boot licker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Don't be cringe permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't really matter if he was decent or not, doesn't it? If we give him the benefit of the doubt (which I don't - Carter is a war criminal just like the rest of them), it means he spent eight years in the Waffle House without being able to fix any of it. That speaks volumes as to how the political establishment in the US actually works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years. He lost reelection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh, right... I forgot about that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) 4 years. He lost reelection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh, right... I forgot about that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh, right... I forgot about that. permalink fedilink source parent