▲ 119 ▼ As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies (www.nytimes.com) submitted 2 years ago by shatal@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 98 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] muhammad_the_pedo@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Jamie@jamie.moe 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) No, it'd be like if we blockaded and bombed Mexico, then complained that their military isn't giving out food to the general population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean the group that supposedly is fighting for these people isn't sharing their supplies to help the people that they supposedly care about? Just like how they coincidentally put their HQ under a hospital? And use human shields? Hamas cares about Palestinians as much as Israel does. None. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago It's wild how many people are trying to make Hamas out to be the good guys. These people probably felt bad for ISIS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes that would be pretty shitty of the Mexican government to do, I agree. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm sure if Mexico declared war on us, conducted an invasion into Texas and killed over a thousand American civilians, we WOULD blockade and bomb them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Wait it's like you almost read history but then didn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, we expect no better of America after Fellujah permalink fedilink source parent [–] jet@hackertalks.com 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF is 100% in control of Gaza, everything that goes in or our is under IDF control. That is why people have called Gaza an open air Prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anteaters@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) So how does that work when Egypt shares a border with Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://hackertalks.com/comment/1544238 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anteaters@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Egypt willingly supports Israel but only Israel gets crtitcized for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133675 Egypt has treaties in place, and is following those treaties. Egypt doesn't support Hamas, at all. Doesn't want religious political parties in Egypt. Israel doesn't want aid coming into gaza. But appears happy for Gazans to leave Gaza empty. Egypt doesn't want to absorb all the Gazan people into Egypt. But is happy to let aid cross into Gaza. If the border was truly independent we would see all the aid trucks crossing, but Israel does control it via remote monitoring, bombing, and treaties. Israel has the superior military, so Egypt doesn't want to defy treaties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mlg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Doesn't care lol. They only opened the border for aid because the USA gave them a guarantee that Israel will allow it and they wouldn't have to actually use their own military to defend their own border from the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Practically surrounded the castle outside the moat and put the trebuchets to work though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago The IDF may like to think that but the truth is Israel has huge control over water, fuel, and electricity entering. This is why they now managed to turn it off... If Israel didn't have direct control on the food and water these people need, we wouldn't have this goddamn problem. Also now that Israel has entered, what do you want Hamas to do? I don't support them, but from a practical perspective, should Hamas give away the little fuel it has thtt may enable it to fight the IDF as they invade the strip? Seems to me like they are now the only people protecting civilians there (not super successfully), but still... And from the Egyptian side news is saying that Israel is the #1 cause of delay on the checkpoint on purpose. Israel has full control over Gaza whether or not they like to admit it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) No, it'd be like if we blockaded and bombed Mexico, then complained that their military isn't giving out food to the general population. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean the group that supposedly is fighting for these people isn't sharing their supplies to help the people that they supposedly care about? Just like how they coincidentally put their HQ under a hospital? And use human shields? Hamas cares about Palestinians as much as Israel does. None. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago It's wild how many people are trying to make Hamas out to be the good guys. These people probably felt bad for ISIS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes that would be pretty shitty of the Mexican government to do, I agree. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm sure if Mexico declared war on us, conducted an invasion into Texas and killed over a thousand American civilians, we WOULD blockade and bomb them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Wait it's like you almost read history but then didn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, we expect no better of America after Fellujah permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean the group that supposedly is fighting for these people isn't sharing their supplies to help the people that they supposedly care about? Just like how they coincidentally put their HQ under a hospital? And use human shields? Hamas cares about Palestinians as much as Israel does. None. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago It's wild how many people are trying to make Hamas out to be the good guys. These people probably felt bad for ISIS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago It's wild how many people are trying to make Hamas out to be the good guys. These people probably felt bad for ISIS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes that would be pretty shitty of the Mexican government to do, I agree. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm sure if Mexico declared war on us, conducted an invasion into Texas and killed over a thousand American civilians, we WOULD blockade and bomb them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Wait it's like you almost read history but then didn't permalink fedilink source parent [–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, we expect no better of America after Fellujah permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Wait it's like you almost read history but then didn't permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago Yes, we expect no better of America after Fellujah permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The IDF is 100% in control of Gaza, everything that goes in or our is under IDF control. That is why people have called Gaza an open air Prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anteaters@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) So how does that work when Egypt shares a border with Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://hackertalks.com/comment/1544238 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anteaters@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Egypt willingly supports Israel but only Israel gets crtitcized for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133675 Egypt has treaties in place, and is following those treaties. Egypt doesn't support Hamas, at all. Doesn't want religious political parties in Egypt. Israel doesn't want aid coming into gaza. But appears happy for Gazans to leave Gaza empty. Egypt doesn't want to absorb all the Gazan people into Egypt. But is happy to let aid cross into Gaza. If the border was truly independent we would see all the aid trucks crossing, but Israel does control it via remote monitoring, bombing, and treaties. Israel has the superior military, so Egypt doesn't want to defy treaties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mlg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Doesn't care lol. They only opened the border for aid because the USA gave them a guarantee that Israel will allow it and they wouldn't have to actually use their own military to defend their own border from the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anteaters@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) So how does that work when Egypt shares a border with Gaza? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://hackertalks.com/comment/1544238 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anteaters@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Egypt willingly supports Israel but only Israel gets crtitcized for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133675 Egypt has treaties in place, and is following those treaties. Egypt doesn't support Hamas, at all. Doesn't want religious political parties in Egypt. Israel doesn't want aid coming into gaza. But appears happy for Gazans to leave Gaza empty. Egypt doesn't want to absorb all the Gazan people into Egypt. But is happy to let aid cross into Gaza. If the border was truly independent we would see all the aid trucks crossing, but Israel does control it via remote monitoring, bombing, and treaties. Israel has the superior military, so Egypt doesn't want to defy treaties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mlg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Doesn't care lol. They only opened the border for aid because the USA gave them a guarantee that Israel will allow it and they wouldn't have to actually use their own military to defend their own border from the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://hackertalks.com/comment/1544238 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] anteaters@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Egypt willingly supports Israel but only Israel gets crtitcized for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133675 Egypt has treaties in place, and is following those treaties. Egypt doesn't support Hamas, at all. Doesn't want religious political parties in Egypt. Israel doesn't want aid coming into gaza. But appears happy for Gazans to leave Gaza empty. Egypt doesn't want to absorb all the Gazan people into Egypt. But is happy to let aid cross into Gaza. If the border was truly independent we would see all the aid trucks crossing, but Israel does control it via remote monitoring, bombing, and treaties. Israel has the superior military, so Egypt doesn't want to defy treaties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anteaters@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Egypt willingly supports Israel but only Israel gets crtitcized for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133675 Egypt has treaties in place, and is following those treaties. Egypt doesn't support Hamas, at all. Doesn't want religious political parties in Egypt. Israel doesn't want aid coming into gaza. But appears happy for Gazans to leave Gaza empty. Egypt doesn't want to absorb all the Gazan people into Egypt. But is happy to let aid cross into Gaza. If the border was truly independent we would see all the aid trucks crossing, but Israel does control it via remote monitoring, bombing, and treaties. Israel has the superior military, so Egypt doesn't want to defy treaties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67133675 Egypt has treaties in place, and is following those treaties. Egypt doesn't support Hamas, at all. Doesn't want religious political parties in Egypt. Israel doesn't want aid coming into gaza. But appears happy for Gazans to leave Gaza empty. Egypt doesn't want to absorb all the Gazan people into Egypt. But is happy to let aid cross into Gaza. If the border was truly independent we would see all the aid trucks crossing, but Israel does control it via remote monitoring, bombing, and treaties. Israel has the superior military, so Egypt doesn't want to defy treaties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Egypt doesn’t support Hamas, at all. Doesn’t want religious political parties in Egypt. Even more strongly, the Muslim Brotherhood is like enemy of the state #1 in Egypt, and Hamas is a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot. Sisi isn't as hell-bent secular as Nasser, licensing and constructing plenty of churches and mosques and preaching religious tolerance, Al Nour isn't outlawed (probably because irrelevant, anyway), but they're cracking down hard on the Muslim Brotherhood. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mlg@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Doesn't care lol. They only opened the border for aid because the USA gave them a guarantee that Israel will allow it and they wouldn't have to actually use their own military to defend their own border from the IDF. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sfgifz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Practically surrounded the castle outside the moat and put the trebuchets to work though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snek@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago The IDF may like to think that but the truth is Israel has huge control over water, fuel, and electricity entering. This is why they now managed to turn it off... If Israel didn't have direct control on the food and water these people need, we wouldn't have this goddamn problem. Also now that Israel has entered, what do you want Hamas to do? I don't support them, but from a practical perspective, should Hamas give away the little fuel it has thtt may enable it to fight the IDF as they invade the strip? Seems to me like they are now the only people protecting civilians there (not super successfully), but still... And from the Egyptian side news is saying that Israel is the #1 cause of delay on the checkpoint on purpose. Israel has full control over Gaza whether or not they like to admit it. permalink fedilink source parent