▲ 667 ▼ fuck Adobe and fuck their licensing (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by tsz@lemmy.world to c/sysadmin@lemmy.world 188 comments fedilink hide all child comments I'm so absolutely sick of it.
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This sounds so slippery slope hypothetical, but this is exactly what Adobe did with Photoshop, Lightroom, and more, which shows that this is actually happening right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] droans@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I don't think Microsoft will do so, at least in the foreseeable future. One of their selling points to devs is that they'll see their sales go up in addition to the GP revenue. There would be a lot of publishers who would pull out if they can't sell their game and have it on GP. They might do it for their own games, but even that could be a stretch. Starfield saw huge sales on both Xbox and PC in addition to those who are using GamePass. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sure. Until everyone buying up the game results in $200 copies for a 5 hour game since there are no alternatives and everyone was enabling it by buying bad games. Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. There is no evidence of rent only games comming anytime soon, it's just doomsaying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah it is, you have no proof of the "rent only" future you are doomsaying about. Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I'm unaware of? This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It's not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jimbo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies… What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the "rent only" future is comming and that people should "just buy the game" instead of going for gamepass. I don't have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This sounds so slippery slope hypothetical, but this is exactly what Adobe did with Photoshop, Lightroom, and more, which shows that this is actually happening right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] droans@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I don't think Microsoft will do so, at least in the foreseeable future. One of their selling points to devs is that they'll see their sales go up in addition to the GP revenue. There would be a lot of publishers who would pull out if they can't sell their game and have it on GP. They might do it for their own games, but even that could be a stretch. Starfield saw huge sales on both Xbox and PC in addition to those who are using GamePass. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] droans@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I don't think Microsoft will do so, at least in the foreseeable future. One of their selling points to devs is that they'll see their sales go up in addition to the GP revenue. There would be a lot of publishers who would pull out if they can't sell their game and have it on GP. They might do it for their own games, but even that could be a stretch. Starfield saw huge sales on both Xbox and PC in addition to those who are using GamePass. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sure. Until everyone buying up the game results in $200 copies for a 5 hour game since there are no alternatives and everyone was enabling it by buying bad games. Slippery slope is a fallacy for a reason. There is no evidence of rent only games comming anytime soon, it's just doomsaying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah it is, you have no proof of the "rent only" future you are doomsaying about. Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I'm unaware of? This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It's not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jimbo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies… What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the "rent only" future is comming and that people should "just buy the game" instead of going for gamepass. I don't have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah it is, you have no proof of the "rent only" future you are doomsaying about. Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I'm unaware of? This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It's not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jimbo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies… What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the "rent only" future is comming and that people should "just buy the game" instead of going for gamepass. I don't have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah it is, you have no proof of the "rent only" future you are doomsaying about. Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I'm unaware of? This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It's not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jimbo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies… What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the "rent only" future is comming and that people should "just buy the game" instead of going for gamepass. I don't have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thantik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Movies used to be mostly rented out, yet this hasn't led to the "rent only" situation, quite the opposite. WAT? Is there some sort of massive increase in people buying blu-rays or something that I'm unaware of? This has LITERALLY become our reality with movies. It's not something far off in the future, it IS TODAY. Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jimbo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies… What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jimbo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nobody buys movies or songs anymore, they have to pay for a SERVICE to listen to music, tv shows, and movies… What do you mean they have to? DVDs and CDs are still being sold. It turns out that people simply prefer the convenience of online media services. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the "rent only" future is comming and that people should "just buy the game" instead of going for gamepass. I don't have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - you are the one claiming the "rent only" future is comming and that people should "just buy the game" instead of going for gamepass. I don't have to debunk your insane claims, the burden of proof is on you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thantik@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) 2 of us have literally provided the proof. Yet you're still here screaming "Slippery slope fallacy!"... Yet we've shown you existing markets which are already there. We've already provided the proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You haven't provided proof. You just repeated your claims and expected people to react differently this time. I'll just stop replying to this thread if you don't mind. I dislike arguing with people who don't have anything sensible to say. permalink fedilink source parent