▲ 117 ▼ Causualties Israel-Palestine 10/24/23: Gaza 5791 dead, 16297 wounded, Israel 1405 dead, 5431 wounded. (www.aljazeera.com) submitted 2 years ago by Discoslugs@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 35 comments fedilink hide all child comments Here are the latest casualty figures as of October 24, 2.40pm local time (11:40 GMT): Gaza Killed: At least 5,791 Including at least: 2,360 children 1,292 women Injured: More than 16,297 Occupied West Bank Killed: At least 96 Injured: At least 1,828 Israel Killed: At least 1,405 Injured: At least 5,431
[+] blewit@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think what you fail to grasp is that for some people "it's on Hamas" doesn't change the the ethical calculus. It doesn't diminish their feeling of empathy towards the victims and their families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So what's the alternative? Not pressure Hamas with rockets to free the hostages is probably not an option because of how diabolically they planned their bases of operations next to hospitals, schools or inside civilian buildings. So Israel should try to go in with the army on foot and evacuate building by building by force? Sure that will be no problem especially given that Hamas will 100% pose as civilians during those raids and attack Israel from behind with all the tunnels underneath Gaza - so every soldier there would be extremely paranoid - no way that can go wrong. Not doing anything and letting Hamas take hostages and kill thousands is not an option either - so calling for evacuation and then targeting legitimate targets by international law is the correct course of action even though I agree that it's an extremely shitty situation for the civilians there. At least the civilians killed by Israel are killed by accident and not fully intentional like Hamas is doing. Everyone can agree that the civilians in Gaza are the poorest party in this but imho people fail to grasp the situation from different viewpoints and see it for how complex it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't know what the alternatives are and nowhere in my comment did I weigh in one way or the other. I'm merely pointing out that "it's on Hamas" is not doing anything for some/many. Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas - a terrorist organization. It's also held to a higher standard than mass war criming regimes like Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [+] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago Then stop commenting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think what you fail to grasp is that for some people "it's on Hamas" doesn't change the the ethical calculus. It doesn't diminish their feeling of empathy towards the victims and their families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So what's the alternative? Not pressure Hamas with rockets to free the hostages is probably not an option because of how diabolically they planned their bases of operations next to hospitals, schools or inside civilian buildings. So Israel should try to go in with the army on foot and evacuate building by building by force? Sure that will be no problem especially given that Hamas will 100% pose as civilians during those raids and attack Israel from behind with all the tunnels underneath Gaza - so every soldier there would be extremely paranoid - no way that can go wrong. Not doing anything and letting Hamas take hostages and kill thousands is not an option either - so calling for evacuation and then targeting legitimate targets by international law is the correct course of action even though I agree that it's an extremely shitty situation for the civilians there. At least the civilians killed by Israel are killed by accident and not fully intentional like Hamas is doing. Everyone can agree that the civilians in Gaza are the poorest party in this but imho people fail to grasp the situation from different viewpoints and see it for how complex it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't know what the alternatives are and nowhere in my comment did I weigh in one way or the other. I'm merely pointing out that "it's on Hamas" is not doing anything for some/many. Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas - a terrorist organization. It's also held to a higher standard than mass war criming regimes like Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hh93@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So what's the alternative? Not pressure Hamas with rockets to free the hostages is probably not an option because of how diabolically they planned their bases of operations next to hospitals, schools or inside civilian buildings. So Israel should try to go in with the army on foot and evacuate building by building by force? Sure that will be no problem especially given that Hamas will 100% pose as civilians during those raids and attack Israel from behind with all the tunnels underneath Gaza - so every soldier there would be extremely paranoid - no way that can go wrong. Not doing anything and letting Hamas take hostages and kill thousands is not an option either - so calling for evacuation and then targeting legitimate targets by international law is the correct course of action even though I agree that it's an extremely shitty situation for the civilians there. At least the civilians killed by Israel are killed by accident and not fully intentional like Hamas is doing. Everyone can agree that the civilians in Gaza are the poorest party in this but imho people fail to grasp the situation from different viewpoints and see it for how complex it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't know what the alternatives are and nowhere in my comment did I weigh in one way or the other. I'm merely pointing out that "it's on Hamas" is not doing anything for some/many. Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas - a terrorist organization. It's also held to a higher standard than mass war criming regimes like Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't know what the alternatives are and nowhere in my comment did I weigh in one way or the other. I'm merely pointing out that "it's on Hamas" is not doing anything for some/many. Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas - a terrorist organization. It's also held to a higher standard than mass war criming regimes like Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago Then stop commenting. permalink fedilink source parent