▲ 418 ▼ 400 people killed in a single day by Israeli attacks in Gaza (www.aljazeera.com) submitted 2 years ago by Discoslugs@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 150 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (4 children) Do Hamas claims require independent confirmation, or only Israeli ones? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 years ago Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] superguy@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won't have a clear picture of what's going on for a long time. Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn't understand propaganda in war. I don't think that's most people, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago We've known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I'd say seventy plus years qualifies as "a long time" in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nimnim@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nimnim@lemmy.ca -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that it can't be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won't be another terrorist attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago Enjoy your forever war then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent [+] OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook https://www.museumoftolerance.com/education/teacher-resources/holocaust-resources/what-is-holocaust-denial.html#4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did they downplay anything though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not saying the 6 million number is wrong I'm just asking for evidence? Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It's called JAQing off The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you're just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon's history, they're not asking in good faith. If they weren't just stirring shit it's easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected: Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports. And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin's law; but it's really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 years ago Excellent point. I propose a cease fire so international observers can enter Gaza to verify these claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superguy@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Just like with the Ukraine-Russia war, both sides are going to be lying and we won't have a clear picture of what's going on for a long time. Pretty much anyone who 100% believes one side is an idiot that doesn't understand propaganda in war. I don't think that's most people, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago We've known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I'd say seventy plus years qualifies as "a long time" in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago We've known that Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonial project since 1949 - I'd say seventy plus years qualifies as "a long time" in this regard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nimnim@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Blindly accepting the claims of a terrorist organization is the new norm apparently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nimnim@lemmy.ca -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that it can't be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won't be another terrorist attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago Enjoy your forever war then. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Of Israel? permalink fedilink source parent [+] OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right. There should be a cease fire so neutral international observers can go investigate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] nimnim@lemmy.ca -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that it can't be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won't be another terrorist attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago Enjoy your forever war then. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] nimnim@lemmy.ca -8 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that it can't be a ceasefire until Hamas frees all the hostages. And even then, there is no guarantee that there won't be another terrorist attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago Enjoy your forever war then. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago Enjoy your forever war then. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] OniiFam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook https://www.museumoftolerance.com/education/teacher-resources/holocaust-resources/what-is-holocaust-denial.html#4 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did they downplay anything though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not saying the 6 million number is wrong I'm just asking for evidence? Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It's called JAQing off The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you're just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon's history, they're not asking in good faith. If they weren't just stirring shit it's easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected: Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports. And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin's law; but it's really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did they downplay anything though? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not saying the 6 million number is wrong I'm just asking for evidence? Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It's called JAQing off The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you're just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon's history, they're not asking in good faith. If they weren't just stirring shit it's easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected: Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports. And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin's law; but it's really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not saying the 6 million number is wrong I'm just asking for evidence? Is it easier to see what WidowsFavoriteSon is doing now that I flipped it around? It's called JAQing off The point is to ask what sound like reasonable questions but in reality you're just trying to sew uncertainty for others. Check WidowsFavoriteSon's history, they're not asking in good faith. If they weren't just stirring shit it's easy to look up which side has killed more civilians. And this is how the data is collected: Information about occupation and conflict-related casualties is regularly collected by OCHA field staff and entered into OCHA’s Protection of Civilians database, following review and verification. As a rule, for an incident to be entered into the database it needs to be validated by at least two independent and reliable sources. Exceptions to this rule include incidents resulting in Israeli injuries, where information is typically based on media reports. And the fact that this line of questioning exactly mirrors holocaust denialism is gross. I know, har har, godwin's law; but it's really the same fucking thing. I would bet money that it's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago Well the post history does pull the rug from under me haha permalink fedilink source parent