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[–] 186 points 2 years ago (5 children)

the idea that sick days somehow impose a financial burden of the company is a blatant lie of criminal proportions. It is a justification for wage theft

people should use all of their sick days

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why do you even have an allocation of sick days? It's not really a concept anywhere I've worked (in the UK).

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I’m in the US and I get 3 paid sick days a year. Anything more and I don’t get paid PLUS I get a point. After 8 points I lose my job. We come to work sick unless we are in the hospital.

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  • [–] 81 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    If Americans knew what workers rights were they'd be very angry to realise they have none.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Most Americans still have their hears shoved so far up their asses that they think all of Europe is a freedomless third world region where the governments silence all criticism and doctors still use leeches or something. Just completely delusional and in denial.

    Of course most Americans haven't even left their own state, never mind gone to Europe to experience it themselves.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    i mean... i would like to go to europe, but where on earth do i find the time off work and the money to do it?

    that americans are not better traveled is not entirely the fault of their attitudes. it's easier for your average european to travel internationally for a number if reasons, both practical and systemic.

    edit - for many americans, international travel is a privilege.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    You're right, it is a great privilege. I've never left the U.S. either. But I'm also not a fucking dumbass MURICAMAN that thinks a $5000 bill for a broken arm and 3 sick days a year is something to be grateful for.

    I'm able to see that my country is super fucked up and that mlst of Europe seem to do most things better.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    No, we have worker's rights -- not enough, but you do have rights. Federal and state labor law covers a surprisingly broad number of topics.

    Shitty employers want you to think you don't have rights, because they want to continue to illegally exploit you.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is because, so far, it’s up to the state’s to regulate, if they even do.

    Ex: in Colorado, the minimum PTO is 48 hours per year.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is an American misapprehension. Even in your most worker friendly states you have extremely sub-par workers rights for a first world country.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But it’s also a misunderstanding of how the US is governed and regulated. It’s setup more like Europe than people realize.

    And yes, we’re fully aware of how much most of us are getting screwed on worker’s rights for time off. People in other countries don’t think we’re aware but we are. The question becomes, how do you fight for more rights? Our politicians absolutely suck. That’s the main issue. The two party system doesn’t work but we can’t agree what to do about it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Strike, fight, bleed, die.

    We have ours because us and our ancestors already fought and died against our oppressors to get them.

    You have two choices, die for your overlords, or die for your rights.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My last job had no sick days. I would get no pay for the day and a point, and at 6 points you're gone.

    The job I have now ALSO has no sick days, but at least the attendance policy is so lax I can literally skip 2/3 shifts and stay employed. Still no pay, but it's a bit less shitty than my last job.

    The bar is so fucking low I don't think ground penetrating radar could find it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I work in Spain, we don't have sick days. If the doctor says we are not apt to work, we take a leave intil the doctor says so. Indefinitely. No maximum. As long as the doctor says.

    This limit thing is so weird. Yeah, you can use them as vacation of you are healthy but that's an abuse and then when you need them you will be vulnerable without days. It's better to have infinite days, to be used only when you are actually sick, as stated by your doctor.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm always amazed by how Americans in particular (sorry if you're not, I'm assuming) tend to go from one end of the spectrum to the other without any middle stops in common sense land. I once had a US friend go straight from "we have bad health care" to "we need a violent revolution" with no consideration to... you know, maybe good health care?

    I mean, from my perspective it seems pretty obvious that you should only take as many sick days as you need, but you should take all the ones you need, to an unlimited total amount.

    Like, that seems so simple. It's how it's always worked in the multiple countries I've lived in. You're sick? You call in sick. You need to be off for multiple days? You ask your doctor to officially declare that you're sick. The company is taking a hit? The government covers your wages during your long term sickness.

    This works. We know this works. It's obvious this works.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    We don't believe that the government will let us have good Healthcare without revolution at this point. One side violently opposes it and the other dangles it like a carrot on a stick for votes, with no intention of actually providing it because if they actually improved things somewhat they'd lose a precious bargaining chip. This song and dance has been going on for as long as I've been alive. We're losing hope here.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (10 children)

    See? But that's the thought process that I find baffling. Because I can't find an American who doesn't claim to be dissatisfied, so... how do you land in that mix of conformism, where you don't think you can take political action of any sort to address it, but also extremism, where you think the logical endgame is full on armed conflict?

    How do you massage a whole continent-sized country's psyche into just sitting there and taking it right up until the point where you start shooting people? I'm not even French and even I can see the glaring hole full of mass protesting right in the middle of that crap.

    And hey, not to spoil any big secrets, but the US is literally the only democracy that hasn't rewritten its constitution fundamentally since its creation. You guys know that's allowed, right? Go argue for a proportional system or a parliamentary system or something. I mean, you guys could try doing something at all before deciding that it's full-on purge time.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Because if we try to change anything, we run the (very high) risk of losing our jobs, then our homes, and ending up on the streets. If you have a way to get over 300 million people all on the same page for a general strike, who are all willing to risk losing their income, please let me know.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I don't think this really addresses the question. Revolution provides even more of an economic disruption?

    Keep in mind the OP is not an American. They don't have the context.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I'm American and it's never made much sense to me, either.

    Afaik it's fundementally 5 forces.

    • Severe distrust of the established institutions, including the democratic process.
    • Long-drawn, multi-generational unrest ever since late globalization and the decline of unions.
    • Anti-labor propaganda and institutional complacency.
    • Increased alienation and in-fighting among the population. Got much worse ever since the MAGA repubs cropped up. We're fighting against 40-50% of the population for basic shit. (Have you seen our paralyzed congress?)

    Finally, this unwillingness to be the first to bite the bullet. Inevitably, the first people to start off these grassroots movements are going to get the shortest end of the stick. They are people sacrificing their free time and economic security for a movement that begs others to do the same.

    It's a massive risk.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A common tactic for startups is to offer "unlimited days off" knowing that people won't take days off.

    Best part for them is that because you don't have specific days to take off they don't have to pay you for them when you quit.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    because I am a big gobshite, I always mention this. They ask for feedback about benefits in most companies, I always say, "yeah you say unlimited time off but I'm not allowed to take 365 consecutive days?"

    two separate companies have changed it to "flexible time off" because of my inability to keep my trap shut

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    I don’t know if that’s reality though. Part of my new job’s compensation package that I negotiated in was unlimited days off. I’ve already taken a vacation I wouldn’t have been able to with my previous job. I know better than to abuse the privilege but the trade off of not getting it paid out on exit is already worth it for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Eh, doesn't those depend on how often I get sick? That's the idea, no? A doctor signs me off being unable to work?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No. If you have paid time off it is part of your compensation package. A better way to look at it is if you work 52 weeks a year and your employment includes a week of PTO, then you are effectively due 53 weeks of pay and any time you take off is subtracted from that number.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Where I work (not California) this time is "use it or lose it" so no. Our comp is 52 weeks a year and we can take up to 3 weeks (not consecutive) of that off for whatever if scheduled or unscheduled for sickness. 1 week if you are new.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I get 5% extra per year saved of sick leave on my pension, up to 2 years, adjusted to percent of the year left of sick leave. But my job is fun and people tend to want to work.

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