▲ 514 ▼ Canada Will Legalize Medically Assisted Dying For People Addicted to Drugs (www.vice.com) submitted 2 years ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 231 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 80 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wow that’s… actually kinda fucked. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's Canada. We aren't the smiling plucky canucks that the international community thinks we are. We're tired, boss. We have some of the worst incidence rates for opioid addiction in the world, the most expensive real estate, politicians that actually don't do anything except self-deal and play culture war games, a massive overpopulation crisis, a jobs crisis, a grocery cost crisis (all told, they call it a cost of living crisis). They literally invented MAID so that people with terminal cancer can take the painless path out, but now it's being discussed for literally anyone who is feeling mentally unwell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) They literally invented MAID so that people with terminal cancer can take the painless path out, but now it’s being discussed for literally anyone who is feeling mentally unwell. The people opposed to medically assisted death used this as an argument against it. I disagreed with them, didn't expect that to really happen. I still don't disagree with its use here. If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all, but still.. it's jarring to see it actually being used this way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tranus@programming.dev -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all That's just not right. Autonomy isn't some absolute, all or nothing thing. If it was, then everybody would have "no autonomy at all", because we're not allowed to commit crimes. Of the full range of possible actions, killing yourself is a relatively small portion of those. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions, I'd argue that preventing a suicide (of a person that's not dying anyway) actually preserves more autonomy than the alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just arguing out of an emotional position and trying to rationalize it. If a person wants to die, it's their right to be able to do so. That doesn't mean society should just say "fuck it" instead of providing proper mental care, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jasory@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You're just arguing out of an emotional position" So where did they make an emotional argument? "It's their right to be able to do so" And here you are inventing positive rights! Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)? The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago* Yes it is and not being allowed to harm innocent people isn't a violation of your autonomy and never was. Grow the fuck up. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions Highly debatable permalink fedilink source parent [–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) the most expensive real estate source needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude look at Toronto its awful, and that's just one example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago You need to look at the cost of real estate outside of this country. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago That’s not the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's Canada. We aren't the smiling plucky canucks that the international community thinks we are. We're tired, boss. We have some of the worst incidence rates for opioid addiction in the world, the most expensive real estate, politicians that actually don't do anything except self-deal and play culture war games, a massive overpopulation crisis, a jobs crisis, a grocery cost crisis (all told, they call it a cost of living crisis). They literally invented MAID so that people with terminal cancer can take the painless path out, but now it's being discussed for literally anyone who is feeling mentally unwell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] elscallr@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) They literally invented MAID so that people with terminal cancer can take the painless path out, but now it’s being discussed for literally anyone who is feeling mentally unwell. The people opposed to medically assisted death used this as an argument against it. I disagreed with them, didn't expect that to really happen. I still don't disagree with its use here. If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all, but still.. it's jarring to see it actually being used this way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tranus@programming.dev -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all That's just not right. Autonomy isn't some absolute, all or nothing thing. If it was, then everybody would have "no autonomy at all", because we're not allowed to commit crimes. Of the full range of possible actions, killing yourself is a relatively small portion of those. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions, I'd argue that preventing a suicide (of a person that's not dying anyway) actually preserves more autonomy than the alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just arguing out of an emotional position and trying to rationalize it. If a person wants to die, it's their right to be able to do so. That doesn't mean society should just say "fuck it" instead of providing proper mental care, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jasory@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You're just arguing out of an emotional position" So where did they make an emotional argument? "It's their right to be able to do so" And here you are inventing positive rights! Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)? The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago* Yes it is and not being allowed to harm innocent people isn't a violation of your autonomy and never was. Grow the fuck up. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions Highly debatable permalink fedilink source parent [–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) the most expensive real estate source needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude look at Toronto its awful, and that's just one example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago You need to look at the cost of real estate outside of this country. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago That’s not the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) They literally invented MAID so that people with terminal cancer can take the painless path out, but now it’s being discussed for literally anyone who is feeling mentally unwell. The people opposed to medically assisted death used this as an argument against it. I disagreed with them, didn't expect that to really happen. I still don't disagree with its use here. If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all, but still.. it's jarring to see it actually being used this way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tranus@programming.dev -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all That's just not right. Autonomy isn't some absolute, all or nothing thing. If it was, then everybody would have "no autonomy at all", because we're not allowed to commit crimes. Of the full range of possible actions, killing yourself is a relatively small portion of those. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions, I'd argue that preventing a suicide (of a person that's not dying anyway) actually preserves more autonomy than the alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just arguing out of an emotional position and trying to rationalize it. If a person wants to die, it's their right to be able to do so. That doesn't mean society should just say "fuck it" instead of providing proper mental care, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jasory@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You're just arguing out of an emotional position" So where did they make an emotional argument? "It's their right to be able to do so" And here you are inventing positive rights! Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)? The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago* Yes it is and not being allowed to harm innocent people isn't a violation of your autonomy and never was. Grow the fuck up. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions Highly debatable permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tranus@programming.dev -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) If a person's life is not their own to take then they have no autonomy at all That's just not right. Autonomy isn't some absolute, all or nothing thing. If it was, then everybody would have "no autonomy at all", because we're not allowed to commit crimes. Of the full range of possible actions, killing yourself is a relatively small portion of those. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions, I'd argue that preventing a suicide (of a person that's not dying anyway) actually preserves more autonomy than the alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just arguing out of an emotional position and trying to rationalize it. If a person wants to die, it's their right to be able to do so. That doesn't mean society should just say "fuck it" instead of providing proper mental care, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jasory@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You're just arguing out of an emotional position" So where did they make an emotional argument? "It's their right to be able to do so" And here you are inventing positive rights! Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)? The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago* Yes it is and not being allowed to harm innocent people isn't a violation of your autonomy and never was. Grow the fuck up. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions Highly debatable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're just arguing out of an emotional position and trying to rationalize it. If a person wants to die, it's their right to be able to do so. That doesn't mean society should just say "fuck it" instead of providing proper mental care, however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jasory@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You're just arguing out of an emotional position" So where did they make an emotional argument? "It's their right to be able to do so" And here you are inventing positive rights! Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)? The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jasory@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "You're just arguing out of an emotional position" So where did they make an emotional argument? "It's their right to be able to do so" And here you are inventing positive rights! Where does this right to any action come from? If you are paraplegic do you have a right to walk? How would this right be granted? Do you have a right to psychically expel your kidneys (an apparently impossible task)? The fact that you are unable to perform an action does not entail that others must perform it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago A cursory glance at your post history tells me more than enough to know I should just ignore you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago* Yes it is and not being allowed to harm innocent people isn't a violation of your autonomy and never was. Grow the fuck up. Considering that death eliminates all possible future actions Highly debatable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) the most expensive real estate source needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude look at Toronto its awful, and that's just one example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago You need to look at the cost of real estate outside of this country. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago That’s not the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dude look at Toronto its awful, and that's just one example permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago You need to look at the cost of real estate outside of this country. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago You need to look at the cost of real estate outside of this country. permalink fedilink source parent