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Lemmy.world removes its rules against discrimination (lemmy.world)
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[–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Seriously, this is the least of its problems, but it certainly hints at them: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit

Basically, they don't even follow the examples they set in their Terms of Service and will not only ban but purge your entire comment account on a whim because they didn't like the criticism they said they were open to on a post stating that "users may express their questions, concerns, requests and issues regarding the Terms of Service, and content moderation in Lemmy.World." There's no doubt, they were pretty clear they considered the criticism "disagreeing with the terms of service".

Create your user on another instance and save yourself the surprise of encountering admins who abuse their power on a whim. That can be your entire account history down the drain, and the number of comments or the age of the account won't matter to them.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    This is exactly what I experienced when I was part of their top moderator and ban discussion discord channels. They would regularly ban people for little to no reason and then laugh about it and then realize they need to come up with reasons after the fact. This is also how they deal with defederation. They had defederated an instance more than once prior to having any concrete reasons to do so. They operate on gut feeling and disregard their own rules and ToS on the regular.

    Not even Reddit is so unprofessional.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well I still think it is a bit odd that you can't really explain why canthidium left your team. It's obvious there is more to this that you try to deflect from answering by going on about how everyone or everything else is the problem but you. And from canthidium's comments back then it looks like he just didn't want to deal with you anymore and that seems credible. Canthidium has some cooking related communities and they seem very chill.

    And tell me, which of the defederation decisions didn't you agree with?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    He left because he was sick and said he was going to be in the hospital and wouldn't have time. That is what he told me. That is a pretty gross thing to joke about if he is lying. We had little to know interaction outside of discussing what posts to make for what shows and only over a few days.

    Feel free to ask them to provide every single private or public discord message I've ever made to them. I'm sure they would likely try to hide it as it would only make them look foolish at best and terrible at worse. They are not good people.

    You can believe whatever it is you need to believe, but there is no way for you to convince me that I myself have done wrong when I know for a fact I have not.

    It should be telling that they are the ones that try to hide things.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I'm really getting the feeling they are just trying to bury it and ignore it. I was having trouble accessing the modlog, but when I was able to, they seemed to have gone through the effort to eliminate a lot of the entries, which included my account purge, ban, and ban reason. They still haven't even bothered to answer the ticket I put up on tickets.mastodon.world, maybe I'll add a screenshot to that later to show the ticket status and the time it has spent as unanswered. No admin has replied to me directly, and the closest I've seen any admin reply on the issue is to criticize the kbin.social instance as reliable because of the criticism they get on them.

    The real problem is this is being done in bad faith, and if that's their core drive, then the only thing they'll do in the future is make-up better sounding excuses to cover their asses.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Isn't the modlog federated to all instances and impossible to delete?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    I'm not sure what's up, but entries have certainly been removed. This was then: https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog

    This was a more recent IWM archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog

    Search for "HEISENBERG" in both and then read back through to the most recent to get an idea of how different they are. Some bans are showing up, some aren't, a lot of them aren't even there.

    I'm no expert, but modlog isn't exactly the same across all instances. I think actions like a user getting banned in their home instance do get propagated to the other modlogs, since my ban got propagated to lemmy.ml's moglog, but this user's ban in lemmy.world wasn't.

    I haven't touched the lemmy code, but seeing what's mentioned over at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2349 , the modlog seems to be just a combination of database tables that are normally maintained server side but, just like in any other database, can be edited manually.

    Only trust the modlog as much as you trust the server you are reading it on.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I shouldn't be surprised that the primary motivating factor of administrators and power mods is to have and abuse power of users. Lemmy just feels like a failed experiment at this point.

    The only thing left here is unoriginal memes. Which can be amusing, but I don't think it is enough for Lemmy to survive on long term.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    Still, just because an experiment doesn't have the ideal results doesn't mean it doesn't get us closer. Unfortunately, if people are going to trust the server with the best marketing instead looking into issues like this, it pretty much makes it impossible to move on because bad faith actors who are best at lying and cutthroat tactics will be the ones to prevail over people questioning what you are telling them without reading the mountains of evidence you are using to back your claims.

    The rot definitely seems too close to the core with lemmy.

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