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Saviours of humanity (lemm.ee)
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[+] -67 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

Insightful comments.

Glad the propaganda isn't affecting people.

I thought people would jump on this anti billionaire post.

But you're right, it's trying to incite class war.

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  • [–] 60 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What’s wrong with being anti-billionaire?

    If a dragon were hoarding all the gold in your village and leaving the villagers to get fucked, would you be pro-dragon?

    (Yeah it’s a Terry Pratchett novel.)

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  • [+] -62 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    But that's the point, They're not hoarding ALL the gold, your point is based in hyperbolie and is ridiculous.

    We have a lot in this day and age.

    Food, shelter, international travel, computers, cars, global internet etc etc

    And making the argument that we have nothing and they have everything is absurd.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 years ago*

    I was homeless for 8 years, I went hungry so often that my sense of hunger all but disappeared, the furthest I've been from where I was born was 300 miles (and that was once), I've never traveled internationally and I probably never will due to financial reasons.

    To each according to need, from each according to means.

    They're hoarding the fruits of the labor of the working class, the top 1% have more wealth than the rest of humanity.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    But your right, it’s trying to incite class war.

    Ah yes, it is well known that those fighting back against oppression are in fact the ones inciting war!

    Daddy Husk isn't going to see you defending him and whisk you away to his castle dear, and you might actually choke if you suck that boot any harder, looks from here like the wannabe edgelord schtick isn't really paying off.. 🤣

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago

    Well actually I think it could be the Russians trying to destabilise Western culture.

    Or the government trying to distract people from them harvesting our money through taxes.

    Or just to upset people.

    You say people are fighting back, what exactly have they achieved?

    Other than telling people to go and suck on boots LOL

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Just like how Ukraine incited the new war with Russia by checks notes... by..existing?

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Well by considering joining NATO and therefore having Europe's armies at their door.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Yes please tell me how a country minding its own business deserved to be invaded by a hostile nation and civilians killed because of Putin's choice. Please do explain how to justify this. Also please explain what it has to do with NATO, which wouldn't have to exist to begin with if Russia didn't do shit like this.

    Does wanting to join NATO justify invading and killing Ukranians in your world?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Horseshit. A few thousand billionaires doesn't constitute a "class" in a world of billions of people. That's not a matter of "class," it's a fucking oligarchy.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    Wow you're pretty angry.

    You should try to be happier, your hate is making you dumb

    It's not that complicated

    It's a rich Vs the poor trope.

    It's trying to incite hate and disillusionment in society.

    Billionaires create many things millions use. Just because they have a lot of money didn't make them intrinsically bad.

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  • [+] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I do not hate billionaires for being billionaires. But I'm against a system that unjustly and inefficiently concentrates wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people while basic necessities such as housing become unaffordable because the beneficiaries of that system are turning it into an investment through which extract more wealth from the people below themselves.

    Billionaires create many things millions use. Just because they have a lot of money didn’t make them intrinsically bad.

    To illustrate how bad this argument is. Middle Ages nobles made contributions to society in the form of collecting taxes, managing land and organizing armies. That doesn't mean that feudalism isn't a bollocks system nor that you shouldn't come up with ways of collecting taxes, managing land and organizing armies that don't incentivize privilege and corruption.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I agree that concentrated wealth isn't an efficient distribution.

    So what can we do, 100% taxes over a million?

    What's the incentive then to work harder if you earn over a million?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you're are literally working so hard that you're 100 times more productive than someone earning minimum wage, take a vacation. If you don't want to, it's clear that money isn't what motivates you the most when you choose to continue working.

    Of course, you must be really ignorant to believe that people earn 100 times more than someone earning minimum wage because they're 100 times more productive. Your capacity to produce is not the same as your capacity to earn money.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    But that's the point, you're spray taking 100 types the risk when starting a business.

    That's what's greenbelt not taken into account.

    The start up costs, the risk involved, the investment capital.

    The owners of the business hold all this risk so they should receive the reward as well.

    50% of business don't survive the first five years.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Investing isn't working, and you were talking about working harder.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm talking about risk. The workers don't saddle the risk.

    And just because you haven't said it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    So we can only talk about one thing?

    That's a ridiculous position.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If we're talking about X, you argue A, I counter with B, and instead of counter-arguing you just jump to a different point or framing, you just don't want to admit that your premise didn't hold much weight to begin with. "I want a system that rewards hard work" "This system doesn't reward hard work" "Whatever, I want risk-taking people to be rewarded" You aren't so much arguing as you're rationalizing your position, rather than sincerely taking a look at your own argument when it's challenged.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago

    I said that billionaires produce something many people want.

    I didn't specifically say they work harder.

    And part of the rain why they are paid more is because they have a higher risk element than the average worker.

    It's an especially part of the conversation.

    I'm not just going to exclude it just to make you right.

    It's part of the reason why they should be rewarded with higher payments, because they took the higher risk.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Billionaires didn't create them. Engineers and scientists did, and we don't even know their names in the news while billionaires take credit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you create something you can patent it.

    The billionaires didn't automatically own it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    @Internetexplorer @TwoGems

    I mean, unless you were working for them when you were making the thing; then they use your contract to control the patent.

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