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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 116 points 2 years ago (3 children) Criticizing. Israel. Is. Not. Anti-semitism. Is criticizing Saudi Arabia "Islamophobia"? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] uis@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) Putin's propaganda wants russians to belive that criticizing Putin is rusophobia. This post looks exactly like Putin's propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I hate Russia though, I'm proud of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Then kiss with Putin, he hates Russia too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago I agree...It's a tense situation but words have meaning. Anti-Netanyahu does not mean Antisemitism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Apparently criticising Ukraine is unacceptable though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, do you talk a lot about their corruption scandals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) I know nothing about anything bad Ukraine has done, I don't follow the war as much as I used to. I just see a lot of downvotes on anything critical of Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because all criticism seems to come from people with a clear and contemptible agenda, even when it's true, and it often isn't. There's plenty of room for critical support but the critics mostly just seem to be cheering for the invasion. Probably because all the fair criticism revolves around the fact that war is hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible. The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights. My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification. With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion permalink fedilink source parent [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* While they're waging a war against the country that's known for its troll factories[0] and long traditions in information warfare, just downmodding all negativity against Ukraine is sort of a safe bet. You might want to note that for things that matter, like corruption that blocks actual EU membership, the negativity still exists and is legit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago You need to be more specific. There are some valid criticism that can be pointed at Ukraine, but if the criticism is along the lines of "Nazi Ukraine" then that's just perpetuating Russian propaganda and should be downvoted. Most of the criticism of Ukraine I've seen falls squarely in the Russian propaganda camp. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uis@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) Putin's propaganda wants russians to belive that criticizing Putin is rusophobia. This post looks exactly like Putin's propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I hate Russia though, I'm proud of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Then kiss with Putin, he hates Russia too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) I hate Russia though, I'm proud of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Then kiss with Putin, he hates Russia too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Then kiss with Putin, he hates Russia too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago I agree...It's a tense situation but words have meaning. Anti-Netanyahu does not mean Antisemitism. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Apparently criticising Ukraine is unacceptable though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, do you talk a lot about their corruption scandals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) I know nothing about anything bad Ukraine has done, I don't follow the war as much as I used to. I just see a lot of downvotes on anything critical of Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because all criticism seems to come from people with a clear and contemptible agenda, even when it's true, and it often isn't. There's plenty of room for critical support but the critics mostly just seem to be cheering for the invasion. Probably because all the fair criticism revolves around the fact that war is hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible. The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights. My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification. With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion permalink fedilink source parent [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* While they're waging a war against the country that's known for its troll factories[0] and long traditions in information warfare, just downmodding all negativity against Ukraine is sort of a safe bet. You might want to note that for things that matter, like corruption that blocks actual EU membership, the negativity still exists and is legit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago You need to be more specific. There are some valid criticism that can be pointed at Ukraine, but if the criticism is along the lines of "Nazi Ukraine" then that's just perpetuating Russian propaganda and should be downvoted. Most of the criticism of Ukraine I've seen falls squarely in the Russian propaganda camp. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, do you talk a lot about their corruption scandals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) I know nothing about anything bad Ukraine has done, I don't follow the war as much as I used to. I just see a lot of downvotes on anything critical of Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because all criticism seems to come from people with a clear and contemptible agenda, even when it's true, and it often isn't. There's plenty of room for critical support but the critics mostly just seem to be cheering for the invasion. Probably because all the fair criticism revolves around the fact that war is hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible. The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights. My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification. With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion permalink fedilink source parent [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* While they're waging a war against the country that's known for its troll factories[0] and long traditions in information warfare, just downmodding all negativity against Ukraine is sort of a safe bet. You might want to note that for things that matter, like corruption that blocks actual EU membership, the negativity still exists and is legit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago You need to be more specific. There are some valid criticism that can be pointed at Ukraine, but if the criticism is along the lines of "Nazi Ukraine" then that's just perpetuating Russian propaganda and should be downvoted. Most of the criticism of Ukraine I've seen falls squarely in the Russian propaganda camp. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) I know nothing about anything bad Ukraine has done, I don't follow the war as much as I used to. I just see a lot of downvotes on anything critical of Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because all criticism seems to come from people with a clear and contemptible agenda, even when it's true, and it often isn't. There's plenty of room for critical support but the critics mostly just seem to be cheering for the invasion. Probably because all the fair criticism revolves around the fact that war is hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible. The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights. My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification. With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion permalink fedilink source parent [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* While they're waging a war against the country that's known for its troll factories[0] and long traditions in information warfare, just downmodding all negativity against Ukraine is sort of a safe bet. You might want to note that for things that matter, like corruption that blocks actual EU membership, the negativity still exists and is legit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago You need to be more specific. There are some valid criticism that can be pointed at Ukraine, but if the criticism is along the lines of "Nazi Ukraine" then that's just perpetuating Russian propaganda and should be downvoted. Most of the criticism of Ukraine I've seen falls squarely in the Russian propaganda camp. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because all criticism seems to come from people with a clear and contemptible agenda, even when it's true, and it often isn't. There's plenty of room for critical support but the critics mostly just seem to be cheering for the invasion. Probably because all the fair criticism revolves around the fact that war is hell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible. The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights. My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification. With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* I wouldn't say all criticism is from people with contemptible adgenda. That's a hyperbolic statement, it could be received like that by the reader but it's prejudiced for people who try to remain as fair as possible. The war is a complete shitfest for all humans involved it's awful thing its endured all this time but unfortunately as a comfortable westerner, I think it's the right thing for ukraine right now to stand up for their rights. My point is UK and US have done some unspeakable things but history is written by the winners and we're not taught about the atrocities our allies have done in previous wars. As a brit Dresden springs to mind and I wonder if Ukraine will have any similar controversies spring up after the war. We fucking killed 25,000 people with basically no justification. With risk of sounding like a dick I'm going to ask you a question (sorry my directness can come across as being rude) Does my comment make me a person who has a "clear and contemptible adgenda" to you? I know I'll get downvoted by others but I'm more interested in your opinion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* While they're waging a war against the country that's known for its troll factories[0] and long traditions in information warfare, just downmodding all negativity against Ukraine is sort of a safe bet. You might want to note that for things that matter, like corruption that blocks actual EU membership, the negativity still exists and is legit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago You need to be more specific. There are some valid criticism that can be pointed at Ukraine, but if the criticism is along the lines of "Nazi Ukraine" then that's just perpetuating Russian propaganda and should be downvoted. Most of the criticism of Ukraine I've seen falls squarely in the Russian propaganda camp. permalink fedilink source parent
