▲ 872 ▼ Remote work is still 'frustrating and disorienting' for bosses, economist says—their No. 1 problem with it is how difficult it is to observe and monitor employees (www.cnbc.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 316 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 68 points 2 years ago (5 children) Daily standups are fine, but they need to be like 10-15 minutes tops. And between 10am-1pm. Putting them at 9am sharp is just rude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago A few jobs back the director was having daily standups with the whole dev team for 60-90 minutes and sometimes longer. The goal was to figure out why the project was behind schedule... yeah. permalink fedilink source parent [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) What I used to do was make notes at the end of the day. Just a couple short bullet points to say at standup and help me get back on track a little faster the next morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Honestly I like your way better. Makes the ticket easier to hand off. Pocketing that for later. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ugh. I hate being on the west coast of the US. Most office jobs start at 7 or 8 AM here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) God, I hear that...plus I usually need to meet with my coworkers in India, so I'm often needing to start meetings at 6 AM. I am nooooot functional that early permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I usually had to do that for Europe. Most Indian coworkers I have worked with work a later schedule so there has always been a bit of overlap. Generally the Europeans I have worked with have been German and they generally have a labor rep on the board so they can fight against messed up work schedules. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Heh. Not enough coffee for mondays as it is.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, check your email, get a bit of a plan, “hey what’s your plan, what’d you do yesterday” permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Keeping the meeting short was the whole point of them being "standups" (as opposed to "sit-downs") in the first place! Frankly, even 10 minutes is excessive: it means either people are talking too much or your team is too big. I'm fucking sick and tired of cargo-cult managers adopting the trappings of agile without understanding WTF they're for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] griD@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Ha! Yes. For the first time, we are trying out a full scrum team in our company, with an external "scrum master" who really seems to know what he's doing. It's bloody amazing. Small team, the daily meeting has yet to exceed 10 minutes and is usually <5 minutes, the planning and refinement meeting keeps everyone in the loop. The rest of the time I can just be a happy code monkey :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago My stand-ups are at 10 am (11 am for most of the team), last between 3 and 15 minutes depending on how many of the 7 of us show up and how much everyone has to say, then we all go back to what we're doing. My project manager and boss both care about the work that gets done rather than monitoring us to make sure we're working the entire time, and we actually get reasonable (even generous) timelines for most things unless it's something super important. I love my job. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Ha, I could not be more the opposite. I want to be 75% done with my day by 1pm. I’d rather them be at 8am permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm the same way. If I could start work at 5:00 a.m. and be off by noon or 1:00 p.m. I'd be happy. It's just hard to find people who want to do therapy at 5:00 a.m. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Haywire@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are out there, in other time zones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Indeed, move to Alaska then do therapy exclusively for east coasters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Or Hawaii and you can do the entire US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You know, actually I'm in Oregon, so I hadn't thought about the fact that if I did telehealth with people who lived across the country I might be able to start at 5:00. permalink fedilink source parent [+] seth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm allowed to set my own hours, so if it was telehealth I could theoretically do late night or morning appointments if I want to. I just haven't really thought about that. When I eventually have my own practice. I really do want to have weekend hours and evening hours, before I worked with a lot of parents and that was one of the biggest issues was when do you have time for therapy when you're chasing a toddler. Or like I remember when I would have friends who worked as bartenders, they wished that they could do therapy after they got off work but sometimes that would be two or three in the morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is there some kind of rule that you can't do any work until the stand-up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago No of course not. It’s just structurally kinda weird. Not the end of the world obviously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago A few jobs back the director was having daily standups with the whole dev team for 60-90 minutes and sometimes longer. The goal was to figure out why the project was behind schedule... yeah. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) What I used to do was make notes at the end of the day. Just a couple short bullet points to say at standup and help me get back on track a little faster the next morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Honestly I like your way better. Makes the ticket easier to hand off. Pocketing that for later. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ugh. I hate being on the west coast of the US. Most office jobs start at 7 or 8 AM here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) God, I hear that...plus I usually need to meet with my coworkers in India, so I'm often needing to start meetings at 6 AM. I am nooooot functional that early permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I usually had to do that for Europe. Most Indian coworkers I have worked with work a later schedule so there has always been a bit of overlap. Generally the Europeans I have worked with have been German and they generally have a labor rep on the board so they can fight against messed up work schedules. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Heh. Not enough coffee for mondays as it is.... permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, check your email, get a bit of a plan, “hey what’s your plan, what’d you do yesterday” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) What I used to do was make notes at the end of the day. Just a couple short bullet points to say at standup and help me get back on track a little faster the next morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Honestly I like your way better. Makes the ticket easier to hand off. Pocketing that for later. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Honestly I like your way better. Makes the ticket easier to hand off. Pocketing that for later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago Honestly I like your way better. Makes the ticket easier to hand off. Pocketing that for later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ugh. I hate being on the west coast of the US. Most office jobs start at 7 or 8 AM here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) God, I hear that...plus I usually need to meet with my coworkers in India, so I'm often needing to start meetings at 6 AM. I am nooooot functional that early permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I usually had to do that for Europe. Most Indian coworkers I have worked with work a later schedule so there has always been a bit of overlap. Generally the Europeans I have worked with have been German and they generally have a labor rep on the board so they can fight against messed up work schedules. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Heh. Not enough coffee for mondays as it is.... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) God, I hear that...plus I usually need to meet with my coworkers in India, so I'm often needing to start meetings at 6 AM. I am nooooot functional that early permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I usually had to do that for Europe. Most Indian coworkers I have worked with work a later schedule so there has always been a bit of overlap. Generally the Europeans I have worked with have been German and they generally have a labor rep on the board so they can fight against messed up work schedules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I usually had to do that for Europe. Most Indian coworkers I have worked with work a later schedule so there has always been a bit of overlap. Generally the Europeans I have worked with have been German and they generally have a labor rep on the board so they can fight against messed up work schedules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Heh. Not enough coffee for mondays as it is.... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yeah, check your email, get a bit of a plan, “hey what’s your plan, what’d you do yesterday” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Keeping the meeting short was the whole point of them being "standups" (as opposed to "sit-downs") in the first place! Frankly, even 10 minutes is excessive: it means either people are talking too much or your team is too big. I'm fucking sick and tired of cargo-cult managers adopting the trappings of agile without understanding WTF they're for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] griD@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Ha! Yes. For the first time, we are trying out a full scrum team in our company, with an external "scrum master" who really seems to know what he's doing. It's bloody amazing. Small team, the daily meeting has yet to exceed 10 minutes and is usually <5 minutes, the planning and refinement meeting keeps everyone in the loop. The rest of the time I can just be a happy code monkey :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] griD@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Ha! Yes. For the first time, we are trying out a full scrum team in our company, with an external "scrum master" who really seems to know what he's doing. It's bloody amazing. Small team, the daily meeting has yet to exceed 10 minutes and is usually <5 minutes, the planning and refinement meeting keeps everyone in the loop. The rest of the time I can just be a happy code monkey :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago My stand-ups are at 10 am (11 am for most of the team), last between 3 and 15 minutes depending on how many of the 7 of us show up and how much everyone has to say, then we all go back to what we're doing. My project manager and boss both care about the work that gets done rather than monitoring us to make sure we're working the entire time, and we actually get reasonable (even generous) timelines for most things unless it's something super important. I love my job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Ha, I could not be more the opposite. I want to be 75% done with my day by 1pm. I’d rather them be at 8am permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm the same way. If I could start work at 5:00 a.m. and be off by noon or 1:00 p.m. I'd be happy. It's just hard to find people who want to do therapy at 5:00 a.m. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Haywire@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are out there, in other time zones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Indeed, move to Alaska then do therapy exclusively for east coasters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Or Hawaii and you can do the entire US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You know, actually I'm in Oregon, so I hadn't thought about the fact that if I did telehealth with people who lived across the country I might be able to start at 5:00. permalink fedilink source parent [+] seth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm allowed to set my own hours, so if it was telehealth I could theoretically do late night or morning appointments if I want to. I just haven't really thought about that. When I eventually have my own practice. I really do want to have weekend hours and evening hours, before I worked with a lot of parents and that was one of the biggest issues was when do you have time for therapy when you're chasing a toddler. Or like I remember when I would have friends who worked as bartenders, they wished that they could do therapy after they got off work but sometimes that would be two or three in the morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is there some kind of rule that you can't do any work until the stand-up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago No of course not. It’s just structurally kinda weird. Not the end of the world obviously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm the same way. If I could start work at 5:00 a.m. and be off by noon or 1:00 p.m. I'd be happy. It's just hard to find people who want to do therapy at 5:00 a.m. 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Haywire@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are out there, in other time zones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Indeed, move to Alaska then do therapy exclusively for east coasters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Or Hawaii and you can do the entire US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You know, actually I'm in Oregon, so I hadn't thought about the fact that if I did telehealth with people who lived across the country I might be able to start at 5:00. permalink fedilink source parent [+] seth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm allowed to set my own hours, so if it was telehealth I could theoretically do late night or morning appointments if I want to. I just haven't really thought about that. When I eventually have my own practice. I really do want to have weekend hours and evening hours, before I worked with a lot of parents and that was one of the biggest issues was when do you have time for therapy when you're chasing a toddler. Or like I remember when I would have friends who worked as bartenders, they wished that they could do therapy after they got off work but sometimes that would be two or three in the morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Haywire@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are out there, in other time zones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Indeed, move to Alaska then do therapy exclusively for east coasters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Or Hawaii and you can do the entire US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You know, actually I'm in Oregon, so I hadn't thought about the fact that if I did telehealth with people who lived across the country I might be able to start at 5:00. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Indeed, move to Alaska then do therapy exclusively for east coasters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Or Hawaii and you can do the entire US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You know, actually I'm in Oregon, so I hadn't thought about the fact that if I did telehealth with people who lived across the country I might be able to start at 5:00. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Or Hawaii and you can do the entire US. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago You know, actually I'm in Oregon, so I hadn't thought about the fact that if I did telehealth with people who lived across the country I might be able to start at 5:00. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] seth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm allowed to set my own hours, so if it was telehealth I could theoretically do late night or morning appointments if I want to. I just haven't really thought about that. When I eventually have my own practice. I really do want to have weekend hours and evening hours, before I worked with a lot of parents and that was one of the biggest issues was when do you have time for therapy when you're chasing a toddler. Or like I remember when I would have friends who worked as bartenders, they wished that they could do therapy after they got off work but sometimes that would be two or three in the morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm allowed to set my own hours, so if it was telehealth I could theoretically do late night or morning appointments if I want to. I just haven't really thought about that. When I eventually have my own practice. I really do want to have weekend hours and evening hours, before I worked with a lot of parents and that was one of the biggest issues was when do you have time for therapy when you're chasing a toddler. Or like I remember when I would have friends who worked as bartenders, they wished that they could do therapy after they got off work but sometimes that would be two or three in the morning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] seth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is there some kind of rule that you can't do any work until the stand-up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago No of course not. It’s just structurally kinda weird. Not the end of the world obviously permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago No of course not. It’s just structurally kinda weird. Not the end of the world obviously permalink fedilink source parent