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Lula says Zelensky, Biden share blame for Russia war on Ukraine (www.stripes.com)
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[–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Lula is turning out to be a fucking bad joke. And to think, the world sighed in relief after Bolsonaro...

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Why? He's right?

    Obama always gets a free pass though, and Dubya was the one who started the ball rolling.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Because the Russians have been at this shit for as long as they've existed. No one but them is responsible for the war and in particular Putin. It was never about national security with him, rather a mix of regime security and unhinged ideas about national destiny. Russia has nukes and they were totally secure.

    Now, of course your can say the Ukrainians pushed the Russians to attack, by not folding to the russian demands, but how is this a valid argument?

    So to circle around, Lula is a clown.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The USA is solely responsible for the war. They turned Ukraine into a backward fascist state and spread ultranationalist Nazi ideology all over it. Used it as a crooked base for the kids of their oligarchs and worsened the corruption. Then they used it to try to "weaken Russia" as they keep saying. Zelensky was threatening Russia with nukes while banning languages and religion and carrying out ethnic cleansing after the Nazi coup.

    by not folding to the russian demands

    What were these demands? A much better loan offer than the EU made?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Im sorry but it is clear there is no reasoning with you. If your argument is that the US is solely responsible for a war that Putin/Russia started, a war in which Ukrainians are being tortured and executed by Russians, then I abhor everything that you stand for. You are either a troll or deluded. Either way, there is nothing to discuss with you.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If your argument is that the US is solely responsible for a war that Putin/Russia started

    This war started in 2014 after the Nazi led, American funded overthrow of Ukrainian democracy. Nothing to do with Russia.

    a war in which Ukrainians are being tortured and executed by Russians

    Sounds like you've been huffing the atrocity propaganda. They've got you man. You've been programmed.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Okay, I'll bite this one time, Mr Trollface. 2014 Russians entered Crimea and illegally (by international law) annexed it. Then they manufactured an insurrection in the east of Ukraine. So go the fuck out of here man, Russia has everything to do with this.

    As to the whatever 'nazi led' bullshit you're spewing, I won't dignify that with a answer.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago

    I guess it's easier to think of me as a troll because the truth makes you uncomfortable. It's scary to think that the news is lying to you, I get it. But not so deep down you know that the US propaganda is bullshit, like it always has been throughout history.

    The truth is that the US Sponsored a coup, which was led by Nazis, then Crimea had a referendum for autonomy because they ewre rightfully disgusted with what was coming for them, and then and only then did Russia provide support and protection.

    This Pew Research poll from 2014 found that 91% of Crimeans considered the referendum free and fair, and 88% felt Kyiv should accept the results.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2014/05/08/despite-concerns-about-governance-ukrainians-want-to-remain-one-country/

    This was the demographic makeup of Crimea according to a US funded report. https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/iri.org/2013%20October%207%20Survey%20of%20Crimean%20Public%20Opinion,%20May%2016-30,%202013.pdf

    Page 8

    As to the whatever ‘nazi led’ bullshit you’re spewing, I won’t dignify that with a answer.

    The leader of the coup was Right Sektor (a proud Nazi group) Dmytro Yarosh. You can check into it yourself. There's a lot of information out there. Here's a well sourced read for you.

    Here's your Nazi collaborator threatening the children of Crimea.

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