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[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz [S] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

Oh hell yeah, I wish I had known about that Rammstein one long ago. I need to catch up with their music. The video was adequately sexually charged and disconcerting for what I would expect from them

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

adequately sexually charged and disconcerting for what I would expect from them

Sadly this seems to apply in the worst possible way to Till Lindemann on a private level as well. 🤮

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[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz [S] 3 points 11 hours ago* (1 child)

Indeed. One of my favorite people said that there's something more deeply wounding about sex crimes when they're perpetrated by people from countercultural and alternative art movements. Like a huge thesis of counterculture is that there should be nothing to fear in the darker aspects of the human experience. But then a guy like Till or Manson or Victor Salva will fuck it all up. They reinforce the cultural narratives about fear of the other, social hierarchy, and the invincibility that their fame earns them.

Those ones really fuck me up

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 4 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

Yup.

Another issue I have is when artists make art about the fucked up sides of human nature, and you buy into it and think they are brilliant for portraying it. And then you find out that nope, they're just giant creeps who tell on themselves. It makes it pretty much impossible for me to enjoy their art after.

I believe, in some degree, in separating the art from the artist. I can listen to the Beatles even though Lennon was a wife beater, though the line "I used to be cruel to my woman I'd beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loves" hits a bit harder than it should. But when the art mirrors the artist it becomes impossible. The jokes of Louis CK would have aged a lot better had they not all been about behaving like a total creep. With Rammstein I can't help but feel that the trademark uneasiness is just Till telling on himself, and I feel like a gullible idiot for using to enjoy it without realizing it wasn't an act. Like the joke was on me.

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[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz [S] 2 points 11 hours ago

That's EXACTLY what it is. Like, oh you weren't portraying anything artistically this is just how you live.

Same, I like to think I can and prefer to appreciate art sperate from the artist's private lives. But that's the kind of transgression that rewrites and recontextualizes the work. Also that Louis CK shit is wild because if you listen to him talk about it afterwards he still doesn't really understand what went wrong with what he was doing. Now that I'm thinking about it this might have been why I never checked in on Rammstein after the last time I heard they were still making music