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Trans men enter Miss Italy contest to protest anti-trans ‘women from birth’ rule (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 54 points 3 years ago (12 children)

Mod here. Just want to openly and unequivocally state... I will remove your comment if you're transphobic. I will refer to trans people to let me know if you are being transphobic. I will ban you if you make an egregiously off colour comment. and I will take pleasure in doing this. Fuck your transphobic bullshit, go somewhere else. Nobody wants you here.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Thanks for everything you do to keep this community safe. I know it can't be easy.

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  • [+] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Frankly, I don't care what you think of it. Transphobia is not allowed. This isn't a democracy. It's pretty simple: don't be an asshole.

    Every comment removed violates the civility rules of this instance. Which reads thus (emphasis mine):

    Do not engage in name calling, ad hominem attacks, or any other uncivil behaviour. Criticize ideas, never people.

    IOW: Be transphobic and be prepared for me to iron fist the vagueness of those words. It's pretty easy not to be an asshole.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Just to play devils advocate, wouldn't that mean it's okay to criticize the idea of transgenderism if you don't criticize the people who are transgender (although not really sure if that's even possible)?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Yes. If you could prove transgenderism exists. See because you attach an -ism to it you are (in English) saying "the ideology of transgender individuals" which is "we exist" which is not an ideology. It is a fact. You can disagree with facts all you want but it doesn't make you smart.or intellectual.... it makes you wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    That's the thing about choosing an instance, it's his house, his rules. At least with Lemmy it's like you can move out to the next building, Reddit is like living in jail nowhere left to move.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Bruh, just do your job/hobby. Mods acting high and mighty is a big part of what made reddit so toxic.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The good thing about Lemmy you can move to another instance with free speech.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is free speech. They get to say what they please. They are not free from the consequences of those words however. I, as a private citizen and not a governmental actor, can censor them.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    I disagree, free speech means the right to express any opinions and ideas without censorship or restraint even if you find them offensive.

    You said you will remove any comment that is transphobic and ban if "you make an egregiously off colour comment".

    That is not free speech, and it's ok. Your instance, your rules.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    They can say what they want without restraint or restriction. They are not free from the consequences of their words.

    They can say what they like. We can ban them if we don't like it. That's how free speech works in a consequentialist society (modern Western society is a synthesis of consequentialism and contractualism).

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's literally not free speech. If I say I like to eat broccoli every day and that people should try it for health reasons and you're some kind of carnivore mod and it tickles you the wrong way and you block me for it... That's censorship and the opposite of free speech.

    You're telling me that you control the narrative. Now there's nuance to censorship for sure, but you're telling me that if you don't like what I say I'm out. I have to type within the confines of the bubble of what isn't too uncomfortable for you.

    I say let the downvotes do the talking. If I go on the electric vehicles instance talking about how (non-ironocally) I love to roll coal and how that's what's keeping me from trying EVs, I expect to be downvoted into the shadow realm. And that's ok. What I'm not ok with is a mod assuming that my voice sucks and that I don't deserve to be heard. Maybe some smart lemmier(?) will point out some doodad that makes a brrr noise and shoots out some harmless mist or something.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    You have the right to be an asshole. Mods have the right to ban you for being an asshole.

    Making out that they're nasty for having some standards of behaviour in their area is calling good bad and bad good.

    (Censorship is when local or national government put you in prison for protesting or ban your book or ban your ideas. That's when your free speech rights are being infringed.)

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Censor and banning opinions and ideas you don't like is anti free speech.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    You were allowed to say it. I'm allowed to remove it. Welcome to the world. Don't like it? Leave.

    But also: nobody in the world actually likes the idea of absolutist free speech. The founding fathers certainly didn't believe in such an idea.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Free speech is about the government not being able to restrict your speech. Guess what? Lemmy isn't the government.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lemmy is a protocol so there can be instances with free speech even if you don't like it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This makes no sense in reply to my comment. Free speech is about the government, changing Lemmy instances won't change the fact that Lemmy is not the government. My opinion, views, etc have nothing to do with this. As far as free speech is concerned a community would be free to remove trans positive comments if they so chose.

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