▲ 118 ▼ The Steam Frame could be priced at $1,500 at launch, according to insider (www.tweaktown.com) submitted 1 week ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 97 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yeah, and valve could do that too if they wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) I mean if they wanted to lose their asses, sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) They really wouldn’t. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I literally gave away my quest 3 headset because of facebook's walled garden ecosystem, ads, and telemetry. If I didn't know someone that was about to buy one I'd have recycled it. If Valve did the same shit with the Steam Frame I wouldn't even accept one as a gift. I will absolutely pay a premium for hardware I actually own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago They don’t need to put ads in it to subsidize the cost, they literally run the largest PC gaming storefront. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) This is not complicated. Sell open hardware at a loss, buyer doesn't use it to buy games, money is never recuperated. Valve loses their asses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It’s steam, they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales. I’d understand this argument with the steam machine as businesses could buy them cheap for non-gaming use but there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales Did I say Steam games? I said games. there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware Uhhhh yes? There's an enormous commercial market. One that will grow larger with this headset being released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) I mean if they wanted to lose their asses, sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) They really wouldn’t. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I literally gave away my quest 3 headset because of facebook's walled garden ecosystem, ads, and telemetry. If I didn't know someone that was about to buy one I'd have recycled it. If Valve did the same shit with the Steam Frame I wouldn't even accept one as a gift. I will absolutely pay a premium for hardware I actually own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago They don’t need to put ads in it to subsidize the cost, they literally run the largest PC gaming storefront. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) This is not complicated. Sell open hardware at a loss, buyer doesn't use it to buy games, money is never recuperated. Valve loses their asses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It’s steam, they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales. I’d understand this argument with the steam machine as businesses could buy them cheap for non-gaming use but there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales Did I say Steam games? I said games. there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware Uhhhh yes? There's an enormous commercial market. One that will grow larger with this headset being released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) They really wouldn’t. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I literally gave away my quest 3 headset because of facebook's walled garden ecosystem, ads, and telemetry. If I didn't know someone that was about to buy one I'd have recycled it. If Valve did the same shit with the Steam Frame I wouldn't even accept one as a gift. I will absolutely pay a premium for hardware I actually own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago They don’t need to put ads in it to subsidize the cost, they literally run the largest PC gaming storefront. permalink fedilink source parent [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) This is not complicated. Sell open hardware at a loss, buyer doesn't use it to buy games, money is never recuperated. Valve loses their asses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It’s steam, they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales. I’d understand this argument with the steam machine as businesses could buy them cheap for non-gaming use but there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales Did I say Steam games? I said games. there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware Uhhhh yes? There's an enormous commercial market. One that will grow larger with this headset being released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I literally gave away my quest 3 headset because of facebook's walled garden ecosystem, ads, and telemetry. If I didn't know someone that was about to buy one I'd have recycled it. If Valve did the same shit with the Steam Frame I wouldn't even accept one as a gift. I will absolutely pay a premium for hardware I actually own. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago They don’t need to put ads in it to subsidize the cost, they literally run the largest PC gaming storefront. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago They don’t need to put ads in it to subsidize the cost, they literally run the largest PC gaming storefront. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) This is not complicated. Sell open hardware at a loss, buyer doesn't use it to buy games, money is never recuperated. Valve loses their asses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It’s steam, they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales. I’d understand this argument with the steam machine as businesses could buy them cheap for non-gaming use but there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales Did I say Steam games? I said games. there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware Uhhhh yes? There's an enormous commercial market. One that will grow larger with this headset being released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It’s steam, they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales. I’d understand this argument with the steam machine as businesses could buy them cheap for non-gaming use but there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales Did I say Steam games? I said games. there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware Uhhhh yes? There's an enormous commercial market. One that will grow larger with this headset being released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) they hold an effective monopoly on PC game sales Did I say Steam games? I said games. there really is not much of a non-gaming market for VR hardware Uhhhh yes? There's an enormous commercial market. One that will grow larger with this headset being released. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) If that’s the case the commercial market should be buying up PSVRs and Quest 3s in mass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Both of those are locked down platforms. For that reason. That's the whole point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) You can stream PC software to a quest 3, you can sideload apps, and PSVR has a PC adapter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Just because you can stream content from a PC doesn't make it an open platform. Most applications require being able to be run unrestricted on the local device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) It can also sideload apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) The unrestricted access I'm referring to is at the OS level. Lots of developers need that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago Yeah and Meta used to sell enterprise editions of the Quest 3 that would fit these needs. Something they stopped because the market doesn’t exist. permalink fedilink source parent