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Upgrade Arch, on a whim. (lemmy.today)
submitted 6 days ago by to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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Made this on a whim, while commenting on that other recent Arch related post... the tamagochi one.

It's been years since I actually used Arch. I hear much has changed (~ like it has an easy installer now?). Does it still itch to faceplant from time to time, needing rescue or abandon? Does Arch still faceplant itself?

How long have you managed to keep an arch going? How many times needing rescued back to being bootable in that duration?

[And would have posted this from that account, but that lemmy.wtf instance is tempramental, currently 504ing again. Glad I recently made this alt account so I can still post this and carry on with life.]

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[–] 5 points 6 days ago (1 child)

Not much has changed (also Arch always had an installer one way or another πŸ™ƒ). I've managed to keep it going till the machine wasn't needed. Rescue boot was needed like 5-6 times over 15 years, I think. Most problems with Arch come from being hasty or not being able to read. One of the harder and more involved processes and problems to solve was updating 6 years old abandoned install, took a few hours, because arch archive is pretty slow sometimes.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 days ago* (1 child)

    This is true. (always had installer, problems from haste & not reading).

    It's like I was fine reading to do the installation, but it was like then I was done reading, for the ongoing management. This does indeed make the pebkac errors inevitable sooner. ... :/ I think, I see, why I read in gentoo, but didnt bother so much in arch... it's not just the colours... it's the pace. [Too easy to succumb to how, once past the installation, under use] Arch gets you accustomed to "now!" (/impatience). At least compared to old pre-binhost gentoo on older hardware.

    Oh, and...

    One of the harder and more involved processes and problems to solve was updating 6 years old abandoned install, took a few hours, because arch archive is pretty slow sometimes.

    Restoring old gentoos to new is one of my fave geeky (~ and typically pointless) projects to undertake. ... Not sure I've done one as old as 6 years yet... but I do have one that's something like 16 years old. LOL. ... When I amass the spoons for such an undertaking, I may attempt.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (1 child)

    I've really disliked gentoo because there always were so much unknowns and moving parts which no umount of reading and 'intuition' can predict. Gave up when package manager killed itself during update with no (obvious) way to make it run again fast. It was combination of python version upgrade and pm upgrade and it shit itself in a spectacular way where you can't run it with 'current' version of python, can't use older version due to it being managed by python scripts somehow dependent on pm (details aren't all there it was like ten years ago). All of that when I really needed to install and run some package. Built everything from source and disliked gentoo ever since.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 6 days ago

    Yeah, that is (or was) part of the gentoo fun. :3 Lots of that kind of fun around the python versioning. Figuring out what emerge's output means is sometimes 90% of the challenge, and other times if feels like that, but then it turns out to be only 10% of the challenge. But as for python versioning specifically, that may have very recently had a big uptick in getting slipstreamed through with fewer bumps in the road for users to deal with. Fingers crossed in hope, ~ remains to be seen through many future versions yet.

    And there are official binhosts now, so it generally only compiles what you've changed the useflags for. Gentoo package management's as snappy as other distros now. Though still as involved as ever for configuring the system how you want (albeit with few more ways to make it bother you a little less often now).

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