β² 207 βΌ This guyβs a real Upstart if you ask me (lemmy.world) submitted 3 hours ago by cannedtuna@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 41 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 hours ago (1 child) It's not people disliking it that makes no sense to me; everyone has their opinions. I just can't imagine having the level of anger displayed by some of the most vocal of the anti-systemd crowd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children) If your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, I can understand frustration being displayed as anger. It's the same when Windows users get angry at things like OneDrive. It's forced on them and they don't want to have to work around removing it like people having to work around how Gnome is integrated into systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 59 minutes ago your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, Hardly a 'favourite thing'; it's like making a water slide out of a river : Wantonly wrecking something simple, effective and usable for this mishmash isn't ruining something sacred as much as it is destroying something for no reason to dramatically create something lesser the world didn't need. Except with more hype, payola, ageism, strong-arm adoption and cult worship. permalink fedilink source parent [β] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children) If your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, I can understand frustration being displayed as anger. That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects, etc. With Windows, you can't do any of that. Since it's closed source, workarounds that may be temporary are all you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 child) That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. Not really. Unless you are prepared to devote your life to changing the source code to what you want, you have to accept it. And because you forked you are no longer downstream and will have to spend the rest of your life keeping up with patches. It's not much different than Windows. You could write a OneDrive uninstaller but you will have to spend the rest of your life with patches every time MS updates and breaks your uninstaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago I mean we are literally on a couple of open source solutions communicating using an open protocol probably using some sort of open OS. https://nosystemd.org/ is a thing. I dont have particularly strong opinions on the matter. You don't need to do it alone. In fact, people can come by, fix some things, then go about life. Or donate money instead of resources. If you have used lemmy/piefed/mastodon/peertube in the past, theres a tiny bit of my code in there that makes things just a tiny bit better. Thats not a brag or anything, its just that multiple people can contribute. But I hear the frustrations. There is a certain mindset you have to have, hopeful you and others can build something....or with enough hatred to build out of spite. Sometimes thats hard to do with everything else in life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept and move on. Or go looking for new solutions without maintenance. permalink fedilink source parent [β] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 point 31 minutes ago If you like a distro and they switch to systemd, there's not a lot you can do if you aren't up to forking the whole distro. I feel like too many people in open source forget that most people have lives outside of Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 56 minutes ago That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects That and a big company looking to manufacture a perceived advantage by aggreasively pushing their shit into the mainstream - good fit to be taken over by IBM - who can bankroll the slapdash dev and bully ISVs, and you're set. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children) If your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, I can understand frustration being displayed as anger. It's the same when Windows users get angry at things like OneDrive. It's forced on them and they don't want to have to work around removing it like people having to work around how Gnome is integrated into systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 59 minutes ago your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, Hardly a 'favourite thing'; it's like making a water slide out of a river : Wantonly wrecking something simple, effective and usable for this mishmash isn't ruining something sacred as much as it is destroying something for no reason to dramatically create something lesser the world didn't need. Except with more hype, payola, ageism, strong-arm adoption and cult worship. permalink fedilink source parent [β] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children) If your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, I can understand frustration being displayed as anger. That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects, etc. With Windows, you can't do any of that. Since it's closed source, workarounds that may be temporary are all you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 child) That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. Not really. Unless you are prepared to devote your life to changing the source code to what you want, you have to accept it. And because you forked you are no longer downstream and will have to spend the rest of your life keeping up with patches. It's not much different than Windows. You could write a OneDrive uninstaller but you will have to spend the rest of your life with patches every time MS updates and breaks your uninstaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago I mean we are literally on a couple of open source solutions communicating using an open protocol probably using some sort of open OS. https://nosystemd.org/ is a thing. I dont have particularly strong opinions on the matter. You don't need to do it alone. In fact, people can come by, fix some things, then go about life. Or donate money instead of resources. If you have used lemmy/piefed/mastodon/peertube in the past, theres a tiny bit of my code in there that makes things just a tiny bit better. Thats not a brag or anything, its just that multiple people can contribute. But I hear the frustrations. There is a certain mindset you have to have, hopeful you and others can build something....or with enough hatred to build out of spite. Sometimes thats hard to do with everything else in life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept and move on. Or go looking for new solutions without maintenance. permalink fedilink source parent [β] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 point 31 minutes ago If you like a distro and they switch to systemd, there's not a lot you can do if you aren't up to forking the whole distro. I feel like too many people in open source forget that most people have lives outside of Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 56 minutes ago That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects That and a big company looking to manufacture a perceived advantage by aggreasively pushing their shit into the mainstream - good fit to be taken over by IBM - who can bankroll the slapdash dev and bully ISVs, and you're set. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 59 minutes ago your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, Hardly a 'favourite thing'; it's like making a water slide out of a river : Wantonly wrecking something simple, effective and usable for this mishmash isn't ruining something sacred as much as it is destroying something for no reason to dramatically create something lesser the world didn't need. Except with more hype, payola, ageism, strong-arm adoption and cult worship. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (3 children) If your favorite thing is being ruined and you can't stop it, I can understand frustration being displayed as anger. That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects, etc. With Windows, you can't do any of that. Since it's closed source, workarounds that may be temporary are all you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 child) That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. Not really. Unless you are prepared to devote your life to changing the source code to what you want, you have to accept it. And because you forked you are no longer downstream and will have to spend the rest of your life keeping up with patches. It's not much different than Windows. You could write a OneDrive uninstaller but you will have to spend the rest of your life with patches every time MS updates and breaks your uninstaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago I mean we are literally on a couple of open source solutions communicating using an open protocol probably using some sort of open OS. https://nosystemd.org/ is a thing. I dont have particularly strong opinions on the matter. You don't need to do it alone. In fact, people can come by, fix some things, then go about life. Or donate money instead of resources. If you have used lemmy/piefed/mastodon/peertube in the past, theres a tiny bit of my code in there that makes things just a tiny bit better. Thats not a brag or anything, its just that multiple people can contribute. But I hear the frustrations. There is a certain mindset you have to have, hopeful you and others can build something....or with enough hatred to build out of spite. Sometimes thats hard to do with everything else in life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept and move on. Or go looking for new solutions without maintenance. permalink fedilink source parent [β] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 point 31 minutes ago If you like a distro and they switch to systemd, there's not a lot you can do if you aren't up to forking the whole distro. I feel like too many people in open source forget that most people have lives outside of Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 56 minutes ago That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects That and a big company looking to manufacture a perceived advantage by aggreasively pushing their shit into the mainstream - good fit to be taken over by IBM - who can bankroll the slapdash dev and bully ISVs, and you're set. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 child) That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. Not really. Unless you are prepared to devote your life to changing the source code to what you want, you have to accept it. And because you forked you are no longer downstream and will have to spend the rest of your life keeping up with patches. It's not much different than Windows. You could write a OneDrive uninstaller but you will have to spend the rest of your life with patches every time MS updates and breaks your uninstaller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago I mean we are literally on a couple of open source solutions communicating using an open protocol probably using some sort of open OS. https://nosystemd.org/ is a thing. I dont have particularly strong opinions on the matter. You don't need to do it alone. In fact, people can come by, fix some things, then go about life. Or donate money instead of resources. If you have used lemmy/piefed/mastodon/peertube in the past, theres a tiny bit of my code in there that makes things just a tiny bit better. Thats not a brag or anything, its just that multiple people can contribute. But I hear the frustrations. There is a certain mindset you have to have, hopeful you and others can build something....or with enough hatred to build out of spite. Sometimes thats hard to do with everything else in life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept and move on. Or go looking for new solutions without maintenance. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] mesamunefire@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago I mean we are literally on a couple of open source solutions communicating using an open protocol probably using some sort of open OS. https://nosystemd.org/ is a thing. I dont have particularly strong opinions on the matter. You don't need to do it alone. In fact, people can come by, fix some things, then go about life. Or donate money instead of resources. If you have used lemmy/piefed/mastodon/peertube in the past, theres a tiny bit of my code in there that makes things just a tiny bit better. Thats not a brag or anything, its just that multiple people can contribute. But I hear the frustrations. There is a certain mindset you have to have, hopeful you and others can build something....or with enough hatred to build out of spite. Sometimes thats hard to do with everything else in life. Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept and move on. Or go looking for new solutions without maintenance. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 point 31 minutes ago If you like a distro and they switch to systemd, there's not a lot you can do if you aren't up to forking the whole distro. I feel like too many people in open source forget that most people have lives outside of Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 56 minutes ago That's the joy of open source though: you can stop it. You are free to use another init system, fork projects That and a big company looking to manufacture a perceived advantage by aggreasively pushing their shit into the mainstream - good fit to be taken over by IBM - who can bankroll the slapdash dev and bully ISVs, and you're set. permalink fedilink source parent
