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[–] 0 points 2 hours ago* (1 child)

It's popular to hate systemd. Just as it's popular to hate PHP. It makes people feel like they're part of an "elite group" that are above these things. Most of the time, people can't even explain why they hate it. Just ask someone why he hates systemd and in 95% of all cases, you won't get a straight answer, except, of course: "It ViOlAtEs LiNuX pHiLoSoPhY" yes timmy and how does that affect you while browsing and playing games, because that's all you do on your PC.

I'm not saying that there are no reasons to dislike systemd for some people. There might be a handful of them who genuinely dislike it and have justified reasons for it. However, an overwhelming majority of the people that hate it don't even have a fucking clue what it is, let alone why it's dislikeable, they just read on twitter or reddit that it sucks. And that's it. It's a bit like a big streamer saying: "Game XYZ is shit" and a majority of that streamers following will think its shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 minutes ago

    As someone who designs systems as part of his job, "it violates Linux philosophy" is a perfectly valid reason to hate something as critical and low level as an init system.

    I think "hate" is a strong word, mind, but following consistent design patterns and constraining scope matters. The problem is that it's one of those things that doesn't tend to matter until shit hits the fan.

    The scope creep exponentially raises the efforts needed to properly test, troubleshoot, secure, and just generally work with the project code. The unique design creates rough edges for integrations with other pre-existing systems and tools, while also raising the effort needed for troubleshooting when something goes wrong.

    There's also the whole "Chesterton's Fence" aspect to a lot of it, where the project runner's overall attitude has been dismissive of existing conventions and separation of functionality.

    There's a lot of perfectly valid reasons to dislike it. That said, I think full on hate is extreme for an aspect of the overall Linux "system" and "user experience" that most users never interact with. Like having an opinion on the order your BIOS handles things in.

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