▲ 207 ▼ This guy’s a real Upstart if you ask me (lemmy.world) submitted 3 hours ago by cannedtuna@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 41 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 7 points 2 hours ago (1 child) I do as well and honestly after looking into the effort required to switch I’m not gonna. Altho my Linux doesn’t boot rn soooo… xD permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (2 children) The effort required is to install a distro without it. That's it. Some without it are even quite popular, like MX Linux. Clarification: I don't care either way about systemd, just saying, it requires no effort to avoid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 39 minutes ago (1 child) Arch, Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu all use systemd. SteamOS/CachyOS are based off Arch. Bazzite is Fedora-based. If you use Linux for gaming, you are not going to have a good time avoiding systemd. It's certainly true that some distributions don't use it, but their market share is limited. It seems dismissive to ignore the trends and investment in the ecosystem going towards systemd based distributions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 2 points 26 minutes ago* (1 child) As previously mentioned, I do not have a dog in this fight. I do not personally care if my distros has it or doesn't have it. A lot of distros use systemd because they like it. If you don't like systemd, you can use something else. If systemd starts to get really bad for some reason, less people will use it. That is the circle of life, and why open source works as a self correcting economy. Also, like... I do prefer to be up to date for gaming & optimizations from gaming focused distros. But if I am being honest, the single digit percent increases are not that noticeable vs something like MX Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 2 minutes ago I understand that you personally are fine with it, but this is apparently a trigger for me, so please accept my apology in advance for offering commentary. if you don't like it, you can use something else: This is only really true for desktop PC hobbyists. SteamOS is responsible for a huge spike of Linux usage recently and that is Systemd-only. it's true that you can install something else but it'll be a significantly worse user experience. This is the case for basically any handheld Linux device, and all corporate investment is going to systemd based distros. if systemd starts to get bad, less people will use it: The alternatives are less polished and switching distros is a relatively costly proposition if you are not a hobbyist (in terms of opportunity cost and time spent without a functional computer). Handheld devices such as the steam deck are much less flexible as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 1 point 48 minutes ago Yeah I meant the effort required to change a already running distro to use something other than systemd seems too daunting. ofc if you have the luxury to reinstall a fresh distro its very easy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (2 children) The effort required is to install a distro without it. That's it. Some without it are even quite popular, like MX Linux. Clarification: I don't care either way about systemd, just saying, it requires no effort to avoid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 39 minutes ago (1 child) Arch, Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu all use systemd. SteamOS/CachyOS are based off Arch. Bazzite is Fedora-based. If you use Linux for gaming, you are not going to have a good time avoiding systemd. It's certainly true that some distributions don't use it, but their market share is limited. It seems dismissive to ignore the trends and investment in the ecosystem going towards systemd based distributions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 2 points 26 minutes ago* (1 child) As previously mentioned, I do not have a dog in this fight. I do not personally care if my distros has it or doesn't have it. A lot of distros use systemd because they like it. If you don't like systemd, you can use something else. If systemd starts to get really bad for some reason, less people will use it. That is the circle of life, and why open source works as a self correcting economy. Also, like... I do prefer to be up to date for gaming & optimizations from gaming focused distros. But if I am being honest, the single digit percent increases are not that noticeable vs something like MX Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 2 minutes ago I understand that you personally are fine with it, but this is apparently a trigger for me, so please accept my apology in advance for offering commentary. if you don't like it, you can use something else: This is only really true for desktop PC hobbyists. SteamOS is responsible for a huge spike of Linux usage recently and that is Systemd-only. it's true that you can install something else but it'll be a significantly worse user experience. This is the case for basically any handheld Linux device, and all corporate investment is going to systemd based distros. if systemd starts to get bad, less people will use it: The alternatives are less polished and switching distros is a relatively costly proposition if you are not a hobbyist (in terms of opportunity cost and time spent without a functional computer). Handheld devices such as the steam deck are much less flexible as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 1 point 48 minutes ago Yeah I meant the effort required to change a already running distro to use something other than systemd seems too daunting. ofc if you have the luxury to reinstall a fresh distro its very easy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 39 minutes ago (1 child) Arch, Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu all use systemd. SteamOS/CachyOS are based off Arch. Bazzite is Fedora-based. If you use Linux for gaming, you are not going to have a good time avoiding systemd. It's certainly true that some distributions don't use it, but their market share is limited. It seems dismissive to ignore the trends and investment in the ecosystem going towards systemd based distributions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 2 points 26 minutes ago* (1 child) As previously mentioned, I do not have a dog in this fight. I do not personally care if my distros has it or doesn't have it. A lot of distros use systemd because they like it. If you don't like systemd, you can use something else. If systemd starts to get really bad for some reason, less people will use it. That is the circle of life, and why open source works as a self correcting economy. Also, like... I do prefer to be up to date for gaming & optimizations from gaming focused distros. But if I am being honest, the single digit percent increases are not that noticeable vs something like MX Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 2 minutes ago I understand that you personally are fine with it, but this is apparently a trigger for me, so please accept my apology in advance for offering commentary. if you don't like it, you can use something else: This is only really true for desktop PC hobbyists. SteamOS is responsible for a huge spike of Linux usage recently and that is Systemd-only. it's true that you can install something else but it'll be a significantly worse user experience. This is the case for basically any handheld Linux device, and all corporate investment is going to systemd based distros. if systemd starts to get bad, less people will use it: The alternatives are less polished and switching distros is a relatively costly proposition if you are not a hobbyist (in terms of opportunity cost and time spent without a functional computer). Handheld devices such as the steam deck are much less flexible as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 2 points 26 minutes ago* (1 child) As previously mentioned, I do not have a dog in this fight. I do not personally care if my distros has it or doesn't have it. A lot of distros use systemd because they like it. If you don't like systemd, you can use something else. If systemd starts to get really bad for some reason, less people will use it. That is the circle of life, and why open source works as a self correcting economy. Also, like... I do prefer to be up to date for gaming & optimizations from gaming focused distros. But if I am being honest, the single digit percent increases are not that noticeable vs something like MX Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 2 minutes ago I understand that you personally are fine with it, but this is apparently a trigger for me, so please accept my apology in advance for offering commentary. if you don't like it, you can use something else: This is only really true for desktop PC hobbyists. SteamOS is responsible for a huge spike of Linux usage recently and that is Systemd-only. it's true that you can install something else but it'll be a significantly worse user experience. This is the case for basically any handheld Linux device, and all corporate investment is going to systemd based distros. if systemd starts to get bad, less people will use it: The alternatives are less polished and switching distros is a relatively costly proposition if you are not a hobbyist (in terms of opportunity cost and time spent without a functional computer). Handheld devices such as the steam deck are much less flexible as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] decolo@piefed.social 1 point 2 minutes ago I understand that you personally are fine with it, but this is apparently a trigger for me, so please accept my apology in advance for offering commentary. if you don't like it, you can use something else: This is only really true for desktop PC hobbyists. SteamOS is responsible for a huge spike of Linux usage recently and that is Systemd-only. it's true that you can install something else but it'll be a significantly worse user experience. This is the case for basically any handheld Linux device, and all corporate investment is going to systemd based distros. if systemd starts to get bad, less people will use it: The alternatives are less polished and switching distros is a relatively costly proposition if you are not a hobbyist (in terms of opportunity cost and time spent without a functional computer). Handheld devices such as the steam deck are much less flexible as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 1 point 48 minutes ago Yeah I meant the effort required to change a already running distro to use something other than systemd seems too daunting. ofc if you have the luxury to reinstall a fresh distro its very easy permalink fedilink source parent
