▲ 415 ▼ watch them lose their fucking minds (lemmy.world) submitted 17 hours ago by Karmanopoly@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 64 points 16 hours ago* (3 children) His signature ACA bill that was so gutted and piecemealed together by the GOP that it was doomed to fail in every way possible. We were gonna have universal healthcare and now we have $20k bills to pickup a dead child from your house. Like it's so bad in the U.S. people are going to Mexico for medical care. Mexico! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] protist@retrofed.com 7 points 7 hours ago While the ACA could have been much better in many ways that just weren't possible to get through the Senate, if you recall before that, there was pretty much no way at all to obtain any kind of insurance without getting it through an employer, and if you switched employers, your new employer's insurance could just tell you "sorry about that diabetes, we won't cover that since you had it before you started here." We would be in a much, much worse place right now without the ACA permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago (2 children) I was deep in the weeds of the ACA fight and this is not at all how it went down. Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for only a few months altogether, and many in the caucus at the time were moderate red-state Democrats that didn't support a universal system. Hell, one of them, Joe Lieberman, had actively campaigned for John McCain and was on the shortlist to be his VP! The ACA that passed via reconciliation was the most progressive possible version of it that could have passed; lose one senator or a couple of representatives in the final vote and it would have failed to pass (and arguably destroyed Obama's presidency in the process). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tower@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago Obligatory Fuck Joe Lieberman. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago Always a few senators who just couldn't possibly help their constituents. I wonder why... permalink fedilink source parent [–] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago Mexico should build a wall... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] protist@retrofed.com 7 points 7 hours ago While the ACA could have been much better in many ways that just weren't possible to get through the Senate, if you recall before that, there was pretty much no way at all to obtain any kind of insurance without getting it through an employer, and if you switched employers, your new employer's insurance could just tell you "sorry about that diabetes, we won't cover that since you had it before you started here." We would be in a much, much worse place right now without the ACA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago (2 children) I was deep in the weeds of the ACA fight and this is not at all how it went down. Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for only a few months altogether, and many in the caucus at the time were moderate red-state Democrats that didn't support a universal system. Hell, one of them, Joe Lieberman, had actively campaigned for John McCain and was on the shortlist to be his VP! The ACA that passed via reconciliation was the most progressive possible version of it that could have passed; lose one senator or a couple of representatives in the final vote and it would have failed to pass (and arguably destroyed Obama's presidency in the process). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tower@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago Obligatory Fuck Joe Lieberman. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago Always a few senators who just couldn't possibly help their constituents. I wonder why... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tower@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 hours ago Obligatory Fuck Joe Lieberman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago Always a few senators who just couldn't possibly help their constituents. I wonder why... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago Mexico should build a wall... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) permalink fedilink source parent